How you can spot the trumper at a show--sitting by themselves looking all grumpy

Easy .
Obama got killed by republicans for his deficit during the huge crisis (2008) !

Trump came in in a very prosperous time and did 1 trillions MORE debt than Obama in his First years for no reason beside giving even more money to the top 1% !
And that is pre Covid !

I won’t even bother with the rest ....

I didn’t answer the question ...

I take one thing and generalize to almost all media , shrug .

When you condemn all media or close to it , should be easy to tell us since when the media are full of crap and which media aren’t , right ?

It’s not an obsession , it’s a needed process to agree about point of reference and so , grow and understanding each other from there .

I mean try take 2 mathematician discussing about a problem while they don’t agree about 1=1 while the other think 1=2.

Discussion in those situation is simply not possible .....

I mean a tread got close about Hitler being a socialist ..... words matter !

Guys like Trump have always existed. The autocratic type wannabe dictator.

IMO they are not the biggest danger in a system with proper checks and balances as the US has.

It is actually Bill Barr who is the danger to the Democracy. The smart, powerful behind the scenes hitman and goon who knows how to clear the path to get his chosen leader thru the minefield that is the road to true power.

I think, if Trump gets a second term, you will see Bill Barr wield that office of AG like never before. If top Dem's call Trump to account on anything in terms of launching investigations they will find themselves looking down the barrel of a criminal investigation. And we all know that most life long politicians do not want a criminal probe lead by a man with an agenda to look into all of their pasts.

Barr sent a very clear with the charging of Richard Burr (powerful Dem investigating Trump) and letting off Kelly Loeffler (GOP Trump sycophant) whose insider trading seems even more egregious.

He basically said you can can try and ruin Trump with politics but I will put you in jail, so play that game if you want.

Trump is a wannabe King Joffrey but Barr is Tywin Lannister, the true ruler standing in the shadows behind the King.


Now who can we find to play Tyrion to Trump's Joffrey.

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Ya I guess Hitler teamed up with Mussolini and an Emperor because he was big on leftwing ideas

Not in 100% agreement but I think you're dead right about the danger of the Bill Barr types. The usa 'justice' system is coercive and abusive, weoponising it politically is a very serious problem for the usa.

Actions speak more volume than words .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

“The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics.[24] Far-right themes in Nazism include the argument that superior people have a right to dominate other people and purge society of supposed inferior elements...”

It’s common in totalitarian system to use words Or beliefs ( like religion) just to get the support of non thinking people .

I can see in your post or post from tooth no links was present to see where he got this nonsense.
How convenient as usual for the far right thinkers.

Oh good, it's been a while since we discussed whether Hitler was really a leftist in his secret heart. lvr citing revered intellectual ToothSayer to support his case is just the icing on the cake.

Maybe whatever happens after November we have a think about how politics got to a point in America where on the one hand we have Trump as the republican candidate (and no one from his side challenging him for the nomination despite the flaws) and we get a similarly washed up candidate being offered by the Democrats when you think that if America is as bad as it is there would be other much more worthy candidates being inspired and taking the nomination. That inability to produce worthy candidates on either side is the real threat to America and someone needs to look deep within both parties to find some answers.

No Bundy that's what democracy is. If the people actually wanted someone better they can just vote for that person. But the people have chosen Trump and Biden.

Ya thx for catching that. I know Burr is GOP, so that was a brain fart. The signal Barr sent was stronger because he is GOP.

I think via democracy (Voting) alone we would not see Biden as the lead.

But the democratic system is rife with abuse and built in bias for the wealthy and powerful and even though time and again they are finding themselves being simply overwhelmed, despite those abuses and biases, via mass turnout of voters (progressives) this is the last vestiges of the old power structure uniting to hold on.

So part of the democratic system ...yes.
Democracy in action ...no.

The trend worldwide for a while now is the rejection of career ESTABLISHMENT politician in favour of outsider or those who are seen to be a wrecking ball to the system. Obama and Trump for different reasons, Trudeau, and we can go all around the world and show how liberal democracies are simply rejecting establishment politicians in favor of change. Any perceived change.

Trump may be the only impetus, world wide to make voters again desire the return to establishment politician.

Might be one for the "terms" thread, but also worth making the distinction between direct and representative democracy here. Representative democracy, by its very nature, is not a "pure" democracy; however, direct democracy is impracticable for all but a very select few very important decisions.

I think there is a strong argument to say what was functional representative democracy has been largely hijacked by establishment (or corporate) democracy.

I don't think there is anything controversial in saying the power and focus has been consistently pulled away from 'Politicians representing the citizens needs' and shifted towards 'Politicians representing the donor groups needs'.

I think that slide and balance has been pretty evident for decades now and is why increasing numbers of people are disenfranchised (stay home, don't vote) and you see them get re-engaged when a 'change' politician presents.

So, looks like sabotaging USPS to subvert the election is another totally democratic non-authoritarian thing Trump is doing. I am sure when esspoker returns from his ban he will justify this by saying "well, duh, lol, that's what I'd do".

Georgia sued over long voting lines

A federal lawsuit filed Thursday asks the courts to step in to prevent hours-long lines in Georgia’s presidential election.

The lawsuit, brought by the Democratic Party and three voters, says a judge should require more polling places, better-trained poll workers and emergency paper ballots.

The legal action comes after coronavirus-related precinct closures, social-distancing requirements and difficulties operating voting machines led to lines in Georgia’s June 9 primary, especially in Fulton County and other metro counties.

...“This is a problem with a clear solution, and there is no reason elections officials should not take the reasonable steps to make sure Georgians don’t stand in line for hours to vote.”