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12-12-2024 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
I doubt this does anything, but:

RFK Jr. Cabinet Nomination: Dozens Of Nobel Winners Urge Senate To Reject Trump’s HHS Pick
Mary Whitfill Roeloffs
Forbes Staff

More than 75 Nobel laureates have signed onto a letter urging senators to reject the nomination of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., president-elect Donald Trump’s pick for Health and Human Services secretary, warning a confirmation “would put the public’s health in jeopardy and undermine America’s global leadership in the health sciences.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroe...umps-hhs-pick/
Before the election around 35 Nobel Laureates in economics signed a statement claiming they believed that harris' plan for the economy was better than trumps. I haven't seen exact numbers, but I would suspect some around 85-95% of economists that aren't funded by the government would disagree that harris' plan is better for the economy that trump's long-term.

I say this only to point out that Nobel Laureates tend to paid by the government and they tend to lean left.
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12-12-2024 , 02:45 PM
Here's a crazy stat:
Forbes reported in 2021 that President Joe Biden’s Cabinet had a net worth of about $188 million.

The Guardian puts the net worth of Trump’s gang thus far at more than $300 billion. If you believe in math, it's a staggering sum, about 2,000 times the wealth of those in the Biden administration.



I'm sure Trump's staff and key advisors will be there, fighting for the average Joe, working class guy.


How many things is Trump already backtracking on?
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12-12-2024 , 03:03 PM
that's a very bad faithed argument

nearly all of that is elon musk

and lol at trying to paint a group with an average wealth of 12 million dollars as a cabinet of the people... jfc that's a cringe exercise in confirmation bias
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12-12-2024 , 04:53 PM
Trump Walks Back Grocery Prices Promise

"they want to be able to buy groceries at a reasonable price
and not have to turn off their heat in order to buy two apples."

But when asked if he'd be able to bring grocery costs down once in office,
Trump admitted that while he was optimistic,
"It's hard to bring things down once they're up. You know, it's very hard."

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-walks...s-down-1999876
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12-12-2024 , 05:05 PM
Vivek, McMahon, Lutnick, Thiel... any one of those is 8x+ all of Biden's admin and advisors.

Excluding Vivek and Elon, the cabinet exceeds $13 billion in wealth. Billionaires are in a completely different class than millionaires.
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12-12-2024 , 09:48 PM
Neither party works for the people of the country. It's an one party system which is obvious in foreign policy. You can argue a country ought to have a consistent foreign policy irrespective of the leader.

Which President has the guts to tell the American people why manufacturing left the country who had the courage to say that manufacturing is not returning unless the people are willing to sacrifice. Neither the population will accept it nor will any leader ask this of his people who have elected him. They all continue to live in denial.
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12-12-2024 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
Here's a crazy stat:
Forbes reported in 2021 that President Joe Biden’s Cabinet had a net worth of about $188 million.

The Guardian puts the net worth of Trump’s gang thus far at more than $300 billion. If you believe in math, it's a staggering sum, about 2,000 times the wealth of those in the Biden administration.



I'm sure Trump's staff and key advisors will be there, fighting for the average Joe, working class guy.


How many things is Trump already backtracking on?
Trump's people mostly got themselves rich through entrepreneurial spirit and the American dream.

Biden's people got themselves rich after they became politicians and started fleecing the American people.
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12-12-2024 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
Here's a crazy stat:
Forbes reported in 2021 that President Joe Biden’s Cabinet had a net worth of about $188 million.

The Guardian puts the net worth of Trump’s gang thus far at more than $300 billion. If you believe in math, it's a staggering sum, about 2,000 times the wealth of those in the Biden administration.



I'm sure Trump's staff and key advisors will be there, fighting for the average Joe, working class guy.


How many things is Trump already backtracking on?
I read somewhere that the election was a battle between the corporatists vs the oligarchs.
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12-13-2024 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Gorgonian
Basically correct, and yes, it doesn't apply here, but that's exactly what they're going to try to do. It's incredibly naive to think he's bluffing.
He can still just hold a rally tell people to do it and hundreds of moron rurals can go commit felonies trying.

Last edited by ecriture d'adulte; 12-13-2024 at 11:02 AM.
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12-13-2024 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
Trump's people mostly got themselves rich through entrepreneurial spirit and the American dream.

Biden's people got themselves rich after they became politicians and started fleecing the American people.
It is completly un-american to hate people who made money in the free market.
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12-13-2024 , 01:25 PM
It will be interesting to see if we end up embracing one of the most important freedoms -- the freedom to allow our kids to run the risk of getting polio.
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12-13-2024 , 01:30 PM
hopefully Trump will throw this guy back in jail



https://www.citizensvoice.com/2024/1...or-cash-judge/
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12-13-2024 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
hopefully Trump will throw this guy back in jail



https://www.citizensvoice.com/2024/1...or-cash-judge/
Broad presidential power to pardon and commute sentences has long since outlived its usefulness. The power should be limited to actions that are longer considered to be crimes. And if you pardon one person on that ground, then you should be required to pardon all people who were convicted based on the same factual predicate.
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12-13-2024 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Broad presidential power to pardon and commute sentences has long since outlived its usefulness. The power should be limited to actions that are longer considered to be crimes. And if you pardon one person on that ground, then you should be required to pardon all people who were convicted based on the same factual predicate.
Wait a sec, in the USA if something isn't a crime anymore sentences about that ex-crime aren't automatically canceled?
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12-13-2024 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Wait a sec, in the USA if something isn't a crime anymore sentences about that ex-crime aren't automatically canceled?
Not automatically. If we made the sale of fentanyl legal tomorrow, it wouldn't trigger the mandatory release of all people who are in prison for trafficking fentanyl.
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12-13-2024 , 02:41 PM
Maybe biden will pardon him so he can win in 4 years

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12-13-2024 , 03:12 PM
Biden only pardons child traffickers it seems
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12-13-2024 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
Trump's people mostly got themselves rich through entrepreneurial spirit and the American dream.

Biden's people got themselves rich after they became politicians and started fleecing the American people.
Do you seriously believe this? And do you think Trump, and his previous admin didn't take advantage of their position in government?


This was my point since you guys missed it. Most of Biden's admin came from working class families, and understand working class issues. Being a millionaire doesn't put you out of touch w/ these things.

The people Trump has assembled mostly have never experienced any level of economic hardship in their lives. They were born into wealth. How do you fix something you don't understand and have never experienced yourself? That doesn't mean it's impossible to do of course, but why would they be incentivized to listen to economic advisors that go counter to their experience?

Right now from a far, it seems like Trump supporters in these threads just blindly support the billionaire class as golden gods, without realizing that their economic goals are completely antithetical to yours. It's a bit of a head scratcher why you don't understand this though. Mostly I'm told from liberals that it's because you believe that keeping the same paths open that billionaires are blazing, will make it possible for you to be one at some point. I'm hoping that's not true, and there's a better reason.

Because while everyone is busy waging culture wars, this is what's happening to your wealth by the hands of neoliberal policies that conservative billionaires push:




This is the REAL problem that's happening. It seems like there should be a place to unite to fix this problem, because the rate of change on this graph isn't leading somewhere positive for anyone reading this.
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12-13-2024 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
Do you seriously believe this? And do you think Trump, and his previous admin didn't take advantage of their position in government?
Where did Biden's public servants generate their tens/hundreds of millions of net worth from?
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12-13-2024 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
Biden only pardons child traffickers it seems
No he allows for children to be trafficked with his open border policies
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12-13-2024 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
hopefully Trump will throw this guy back in jail



https://www.citizensvoice.com/2024/1...or-cash-judge/
This one is just disgusting. Please stop telling me how the Dems are the rule of alw
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12-13-2024 , 04:35 PM
Lol at criticizing stock buybacks in any way or form, without even argumenting, just put a graph of buyback increasing as if that was "obviously bad" (hint: it isn't, it's just tax efficient dividends).
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12-13-2024 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
This was my point since you guys missed it. Most of Biden's admin came from working class families, and understand working class issues. Being a millionaire doesn't put you out of touch w/ these things.

The people Trump has assembled mostly have never experienced any level of economic hardship in their lives. They were born into wealth. .
Dafuq?

MacMahon is a multibillionaire whose parents were administrative workers in a military base lol.

Vivek is upper middle class (quality immigrant parents, engineer and physician, the only kind of immigration which should exist) but that means he grew up in normal real america as well.

Isaacman is a working class fully self made tech entrepreneur.

Lutnick is the son of a painter and a college professor.

It's just a list of the actual best Americans you can find. The people who carry the whole nation forward. The reason of american exceptionalism.

The people who won at the game of life.

Normal people who make billions because they are better and work harder than other people.
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12-13-2024 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Lol at criticizing stock buybacks in any way or form, without even argumenting, just put a graph of buyback increasing as if that was "obviously bad" (hint: it isn't, it's just tax efficient dividends).
We've already covered this many times in here. Stock buybacks are a result of corporate income taxes being so low, that they incentive CEO's and corporate leaders to take more personal income home in the form of buy-backs, instead of re-investing in their companies, and increasing worker pay.
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12-13-2024 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
We've already covered this many times in here. Stock buybacks are a result of corporate income taxes being so low, that they incentive CEO's and corporate leaders to take more personal income home in the form of buy-backs, instead of re-investing in their companies, and increasing worker pay.
it's an alternative to dividends, nothing else.

if re investing in the company delivered higher returns they would invest there and the stock would increase because of it.

they are already pursuing all worthwhile investments definitionally.

you want then to pursue anti economic, inefficient investments through fiscal oppression, and that would be terrible for the economy in general.

once out of the company the money doesn't disappear and gets invested anyway.

and btw the only acceptable corporate income tax is 0 without any exception, tax individuals not companies.
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