Are the moderators here paid by Mason or something? Even Twitter does a better job of calling out lies than this place.

What the left still somehow doesn't get is that there are plenty of people that don't like Trump, know on some level that he is evil, and would love to vote against him... and the Dems can only offer up Hitlary and Weekend at Biden's. If the Dems would offer up a somewhat palatable centrist candidate, they would easily defeat Trump, but they don't, so they probably won't.

The Lincoln Project outdo themselves every frickin new add. Just an amazing PR machine for the Dems. This ad will def rustle Bunker Boy's jimmies.



edit to add:

What the Lincoln Project Ad Makers Get About Voters (and What Dems Don’t)

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...mocrats-349184

Dayum...

Hillary and Biden are centrists. They're both far closer to being Republicans than leftists. Who are the Dems you'd vote for?

Trump better hope for some type of surge. I was on the fence probably at the beginning of the year. He has just died energy wise. Tired. Dealing both with the pandemic and racism isn’t his thing.

Terrible timing for him. He was a shoe-in back in January. His only hope is to crush Biden in the debates.

I don’t understand how the debates would move the needle when everyone has just lived through 4 years of him lying nonstop.

So he is the one we need to elect because he is the only one in the world that can solve our problems? What were you doing the last 4 years?

Well, he certainly picked the most tiring strategies for both covid and racism. As for it not being his thing, well, that's why we try to elect sensible people to lead the country. Getting your policy from watching Fox, tweeting incendiary tweets everyday, and golfing isn't really the job description. Lol if anyone, besides his cult, actually votes for him a second time.

Totally agree that his strategies didn’t resonate. Zero leadership on the COVID crisis and took a law and order approach to something that is far more complex.

The enthusiasm for him has waned. He did better than I expected for a few years. He really did avoid any major crisis. Then boom goes the dynamite.

Why would anyone vote for Biden other than the fact that "he's not Trump"?

Why would you need a reason other than that one? Trump is divisive. He's not the President of the United States; he's the President of 40% of the United States and freely admits such.

Presidents for re-election are basically a mandate on that President. The Obama re-election was not about Romney's policies, they were about Obama. This one is about Trump, and Trump has made it an even more extreme situation as he covets things being all about him. Not sure all Republicans think that is the best approach this year.

Guess the question back to you, in a normal election year where a President is running for a second term - how much of the vote is about that incumbent (for and against)?

All the best.

We also lived through Biden's 40 years of not fixing the problems he all of a sudden has a magical elixir and ability to fix!

The debates will just show who is more mentally with it.

85% of the people have made up their mind. 11% of the people are Trump leaning, but really pissed at him right now due to COVID and how he handled race relations. He can win those 11% back by showing he is better than Biden.

4% of the population is winnable or loseable based on debate performance.

Also, the debates are about creating enthusiasm and driving the vote. Voter turnout is also massively critical.

Let's just say biden didn't fix anything.

Then the choice is between someone that doesn't fix problems, and one that makes them magnitudes worse.

Will u support trump if he loses the election but tries to stay in office anyway or will u homer the voting results.

I'm not voting, but the way Trump is attempting to dismantle basically everything Obama did is not all good

We currently have a FUBAR healthcare system and Obamacare actually did work as intended, just nothing to write home about

The Republicans chose to undermine it for its entire existence, and claimed it would bankrupt the nation which is complete and utter bullshit and we can now see that

They could have instead come up with a viable alternative or put effort into improving the system to become even more efficient, so as to maybe even eliminate the taxes imposed to cover its cost

But we don't have that. We have a garbage system still under attack and no plan to replace it. I almost wish McCain had voted yes instead of no. We are in a stasis right now and it's a ****ing joke. No way I want 4 more years of that BS. I'd rather have whatever Biden has to offer than Trump in that regard

That's just one argument. I refuse to vote for Biden so I'm not going to

Trump has a mental disorder. I real, actual one. In terms of cognition, Biden and Trump both are clearly in decline, but Trump is truly ****ed up in the head, I don't care how much people like his personality traits or the hyper partisanship/disdain for all things left except NASCAR (and even that too now apparently)

Most people really don't understand mental disorder. I do. I have 8 aunts and uncles and half of them are dead because of mental problems, clearly genetic, that run through my father's side. My father himself is very very similar to Trump in terms of behavior. OCD, extremely narcissistic, never apologizes, lies pathologically, impulsive beyond control

Having mental problems doesn't mean you can't live a fulfilling, successful life. But it does mean you are more than capable of doing some serious damage to yourself and those around you. Trump does appearances and all he cares about is how he looks and any opportunity to self aggrandize. That doesn't mean he can't do good things, but it does mean that he completely overlooks good things that can and should be done. He ignored them as they are not priority in his mind. And being devoid of empathy as a leader of people is insanely bad. Leading people is a common trait business leaders have with the POTUS, but it's completely different when you're trying to grind a profit/product vs trying to govern. He literally screams about the stock market as if it were the sole indicator of importance meanwhile millions and millions of people own zero stocks and are merely trying to navigate through their lives while their leader is talking about something that has literally nothing to do with them

Biden ain't much better imo but at least he has the experience of watching Obama and will fight for at least some policy that is rooted in treating people like human beings rather than economic units of productivity to be chewed up and spit out and ignored beyond the economic realm...

Isn't that question premature until you see how the voting goes down? I don't think anyone should commit to anything, either way, until the results are published and we have understanding of the differences between each state election board.

If there are disputes, we have a court system in place to solve those.

I will go on record saying I would support any decision SCOTUS makes after all the facts are presented to the courts.

Cliffs: Trump is a dangerous person for president, but I don't like Biden so if he wins and is terrible, I want to be able to say, "I didn't vote for him."

I get that right?

If Trump loses, he'll claim voter fraud and his base will slurp it up. He couldn't even handle losing the popular vote without spouting Alex Jones conspiracy theories.

Let's see, Biden drafted one of the most racist pieces of criminal justice reform in modern world history.

He oversaw the Clarence Thomas and Robert Bork hearings...

We can go on. But, Biden certainly made things worse through some of his career actions.

Meanwhile, Trump is causing the American Empire to crumble. That's some serious wreckage. Impressive work for just 3.5 years.

(x) not Trump


Thanks for your reply

I am definitely voting for Biden for other reasons. I was impressed with his recent press conference. I'll ignore the corona responses just because those are kind of inherently softballs given how bad the current federal leadership has been. But his statements on the protests were good. Not just better than Trump, but better than the entire republican party. He drew a clear distinction between people like Jefferson and Washington who are celebrated despite their poor records on race and people like Davis and Lee who are only celebrates because of them. Not just Trump, but the entire Republican party like Ted Cruz etc has lost it's mind on that issue and is somehow trying to equate repurposed Jim Crow era statues of people who fought to preserve slavery put up by KKK terrorists with the Lincoln Memorial for purely political reasons. So we really can't ignore that Biden is representing a party that is leading in the generic ballot by near double digits. His policies on healthcare, culture wars etc are simply much closer to what the majority of people want.

50-50. I look at what he’s done and what it looks like he will do in the future.
In this particular case we have no idea what Biden will do.
Of course there’s no way in hell I’d vote for a Democrat anyway, so Republicans could be running a lawn chair and I would stand out in the snow to vote for it.

I'd vote for a golden retriever if it meant getting rid of Trump.