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Old 06-30-2020, 04:15 PM   #16776
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Ah, the old "ok, I said it was racist but you applied common sense so now I have to admit it isn't racist by itself, but if trump's base ignores common sense like I did maybe they incorrectly think it is racist so therefore it is racist."
You didn't apply common sense, you posted something idiotic, I corrected it, and you still failed to understand my correction because you are a dumb-dumb. Glad I could help clear up any confusion.
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:16 PM   #16777
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He said Mexico is sending rapists. And it immediately shot him to the top of the primary field. Because of racism. This isn't remotely complicated.
If I remember correctly there really wasn't any moment that catapulted him above a bunch of candidates it was more of trump having a base that stuck to him where the majority of repubs were split between the 12ish other candidates. If everyone drops out except trump and any one of the 12 other candidates the non-trump candidates wins the nomination.

Which is exactly what almost happened with bernie this time. He has a decent sized base, but the majority of dems were split between the 10ish other candidates and if they all stay in the race bernie wins easily, but when candidates start dropping the majority of that candidates were anyone but bernie.
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:22 PM   #16778
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Why the **** does this point matter at all?
Why does it matter if trump said something that near every single liberal media source and most liberal politicians claimed he said? I think that should be fairly evident.

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Mickey, imagine if we replaced Trump with Osama Bin Laden in these conversations, and every time someone said something negative about Bin Laden, you would chime in and critique what they were saying. Well actually, Bid Laden DID NOT use one of his wives as a meat shield!

Wouldn't that be kinda ****ing weird? Don't you think people would wonder why you keep taking on that cause?
I don't come in and critique every time someone says something bad about trump. I do correct people when they took too big of a swig of the kool-aid and are regurgitating a lie.

To answer your question: Yes, it would be weird if I defended either trump or bin laden every time someone wrote something bad about them.

There are plenty of reasons to hate or dislike trump so I find it odd that liberals have to make up lies about him to make him sound bad. Just talk about the **** that is actually true and stop echoing lies.
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:24 PM   #16779
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Mexican isn't a race there are plenty of white Mexicans and some of them are presumably illegal migrants, so solely due to this completely pedantic point it's technically not "racism" in the webster dictionary sense, but it's definitely xenophobic or else sleazily pandering to such a crowd and neither explanation says much for Trump in this regard.
Saying left handed Asians are more likely to commit crimes than right handed Asians is not xenophobic.
Saying tall white people are more likely to commit crimes than short white people is not xenophobic.
Saying Mexicans that are willing to sneak drugs across the border are more likely to commit crimes than Mexicans who aren't is not xenophobic.
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:27 PM   #16780
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[x] Saying left handed Asians are more likely to commit crimes than right handed Asians is not xenophobic.
[x] Saying tall white people are more likely to commit crimes than short white people is not xenophobic.
[ ] Saying Mexicans that are willing to sneak drugs across the border are more likely to commit crimes than Mexicans who aren't is not xenophobic.

And lol sneaking "drugs" in there. You're such a sneaky, lying little ****.
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:30 PM   #16781
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Saying left handed Asians are more likely to commit crimes than right handed Asians is not xenophobic.
Saying tall white people are more likely to commit crimes than short white people is not xenophobic.
Saying Mexicans that are willing to sneak drugs across the border are more likely to commit crimes than Mexicans who aren't is not xenophobic.
It's hard doing the mental gymnastics necessary to defend Trump everyday, eh?
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:34 PM   #16782
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Saying left handed Asians are more likely to commit crimes than right handed Asians is not xenophobic.
Saying tall white people are more likely to commit crimes than short white people is not xenophobic.
Saying Mexicans that are willing to sneak drugs across the border are more likely to commit crimes than Mexicans who aren't is not xenophobic.
It is xenophobic as it focuses almost solely on the bad elements. Nobody denies you get bad elements with any mass migration but most migrants actually are good people whether they're legal or illegal. Most of them simply wish to get by and try get a shot of a better life. The bad element is the minority. Yet Trump states "some of them I assume are good people" with again his tone shift and implication that the drug dealers and rapists are the majority, when this simply isn't true.

He either feels that way about Mexicans or anyone south of Texas or else again he's pandering to such a crowd and again neither possibility puts him in a good light.

Btw where's this "video proof" you claimed existed where Trump wasn't talking about Mexicans?
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:00 PM   #16783
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:08 PM   #16784
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Before the hearing began, Republican Senator Lamar Alexander, who leads the committee, appealed to President Donald Trump to wear a face mask - an act he has yet to do in a public event.

"Sadly this simple life saving practice has become part of the political debate," said the ally of Mr Trump.

"If you are for Trump you don't wear a mask, if you are against Trump you do," he continued, going on to "suggest that the president occasionally wear a mask".

"The president has plenty of admirers that would follow his lead," he said.
I don't know what you can do other than sigh at this. It's almost tragic.
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:41 PM   #16785
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bahbah, are you white? I'm assuming you are. Do you think Mexicans want to be told by a white guy that what the president said wasn't racist?

Mexicans already felt the statements were racist, that should be enough to say "yes, trump made racist statements about Mexicans".

Maybe look in some Mexican newspapers and you'll find that they think the statements were racist: https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/artic...-absurd-racist

If trump made the statements about Mexicans while wearing a KKK grand wizard robe under a nazi flag, you would be arguing the same bs about how "he didn't exactly say that all mexicans were rapists!"

Even Google knows.... https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+rapist+statements
"Did you mean: trump racist statements?"
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:53 PM   #16786
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Just creating the aura of a legitimate argument as to whether or not Trump's obviously racist statement was actually racist - is a big win for the bahbah's of the world.

Just like pretending Trump's pantomime slam on the disabled reporter wasn't mocking his disability.

You guys aren't fooling anyone. We have eyes and ears.
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:45 PM   #16787
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We can argue back and forth if trump or biden are racist, but the more important argument is what race, if any, would be better off under biden than trump.

Also, I am not arguing that trump is 0% racist. I am just claiming that people that said trump said Mexicans are rapists because of that speech either haven't heard the speech and are drinking kool-aid or they don't have a good handle of English language.
You are being very disingenuous here.

You are trying to deflect by using the literal when we know what image, and message Trump was very carefully crafting and delivering.

It is like Bill Clinton trying to dance around the word "IS" to say he is not lying. Dude you are LYING regardless of the definition. Context matters. Usage matters. What you portray matters.

A lie is an 'attempt to deceive'.

What happens often (Clinton example) and what you are trying to do here, and what we see talking heads on Talk Show news do regularly act as if nothing is true if it could not prosecuted as a lie under oath and garner a guilty conviction.

You (and they) act like if you can show any day light in the statement that could make it escape a perjury charge, which requires literal proof, then therefore it cannot be said to be a lie.

Trumps entire characterization and the imagery used day after day of the Mexican's and the Migrants was to be terrified. They are dark skinned and terrifying. They are disease ridden and criminal and come from sh*t hole countries.

Trump has run his first term on a bedrock of racism, his attempt to shut down all immigration legal and illegal is an attempt to stop the browning of America. His desire to find a reason to let in White South African farmer migrants and his desire for more people from Noooorway, feeds his desire to start tipping it back towards more white.

No one cares about the literal hoops you jump to say 'But I can characterize it another way therefore...' as that is simply disingenuous.
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:53 PM   #16788
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Just creating the aura of a legitimate argument as to whether or not Trump's obviously racist statement was actually racist - is a big win for the bahbah's of the world.

Just like pretending Trump's pantomime slam on the disabled reporter wasn't mocking his disability.

You guys aren't fooling anyone. We have eyes and ears.
yup. As I say in my last post I have dealt with Trump supporters who argue he was not mocking his disability.

Same when it comes to his "...go back to where you came from" comment to the women of color Congress people born in the US.

You go thru this series of hoops where they say 'there is another possibility' and then they think that alone is enough to then act as if all view points are therefore equal on this.

They see talking heads do it on Talk News and get away with it and think then they can do the same IRL.
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:54 PM   #16789
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so where is the link?

lol for someone who just watched it
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Didn't post the link. Color me shocked!
You two are also unqualified to be posting here.

Color me shocked that all the Trump supporters are equally ignorant.
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:00 PM   #16790
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It is one thing to be like goofyballer & marksman and buy into the mainstream media lie that he said something he didn't from a couple years ago....



But to post like the following two posters after video proof that he didn't say what the media and most liberals claimed is a different level a drinking kool-aid.





He is saying that there is a higher % of rapists and drug dealers/smugglers in the group that are illegally crossing the border from mexico than a random group of Mexican citizens. Which is as racist as saying white people that have been convicted of a crime are more likely to rape someone than a white person who has never committed a crime.
Mickey,

While you ever learn not to touch anything involving numbers?
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:04 PM   #16791
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Incredible. Right in the video he says Mexicans coming across the border are, among other derogatory things, rapists, and he assumes some of them are good people.
In Trump supporter fantasy land, adding that caveat onto the end of his extremely racist diatribe fixes everything.
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:06 PM   #16792
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Wait, what? Is that true? That's hilarious if so. I can't imagine being embarrassed enough about your own convictions that you have to tippy toe around them like that.

Also, just had a foray into trump twitter, well more specifically the notion that there really is an old trump tweet for every occasion. 1) there really is! It's insane. 2) He really has had a hard on for Obama for like the last ten years. It is also insane. The inferiority complex is so obvious, it's palpable.
You will find almost all of the non stop trump defenders on this forum also claim to not be trump supporters. It is a unique kind of cowardice.
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:30 PM   #16793
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Almost 50,000 cases today and the daily death #'s are climbing . Trump is done.

Biden should phone in sick for the debates and offer his VP to debate
Damn they just may get the Senate and the house
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:35 PM   #16794
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Where are the unedited videos then?

If it's so easy to find then where is it?

One guy actually claimed to have watched the video but for some reason he can't post the link after his claim. seems weird

just so much back and forth without proper context

liberal media loves to do this bs and you clowns always fall for it
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:46 PM   #16795
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Wtf are you babbling about? Is this not unedited video?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ng_border.html

It matches the transcript that was posted here word for word.
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:51 PM   #16796
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Where are the unedited videos then?

If it's so easy to find then where is it?

One guy actually claimed to have watched the video but for some reason he can't post the link after his claim. seems weird

just so much back and forth without proper context

liberal media loves to do this bs and you clowns always fall for it
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Wtf are you babbling about? Is this not unedited video?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ng_border.html

It matches the transcript that was posted here word for word.
Hand wave incoming in......
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:04 PM   #16797
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So you are agreeing that in no way can this be considered racist, correct? Since it is absurd to claim racism when someone says that one group of a race is more likely to be bad than another group of the same race.

You can also admit that he didn't say all people illegally crossing the border from mexico are bad people too.
But he said the people that were coming aren't "you", referring to his audience and with reference to violent crimes. That's definitely racist because people coming from Mexico illegally aren't more likely to commit rapes or violent crimes than his audience. It's pretty textbook racism.
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:36 PM   #16798
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Almost 50,000 cases today and the daily death #'s are climbing . Trump is done.

Biden should phone in sick for the debates and offer his VP to debate
Damn they just may get the Senate and the house
Actually False
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Old 07-01-2020, 12:58 AM   #16799
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Denial is metastatic within the psyche. When its your go to move regarding uncomfortable truth, the actions of people are truly inexplicable except for understanding this basic dynamic. I deny, I lie it away, I eventually at the end game of this strategy ... display outright contempt for truth, by flagrantly doing the very opposite of what truth, if admitted, would demand.. To wit, passing a law making it illegal to mandate mask wearing. It's a subconscious process. Denial raised to the point of not only avoiding, but aggressing against truth. The Manhattan Mountebank is one of history's greatest exemplars of this ... as are his legions (or at least they must become so to follow his lead).
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