That's reasonable.

That's also reasonable.

Although a charcuterie board without cheese is like a dessert buffet without chocolate. Did you really win ?

Nobody will be able to give you proper odds this year because the Trump party will collude with the Russians to run interference.

I am trying to decide what is funnier:

1) Trump claiming ten times now he received the Michigan Man of the Year Award
2) Trump referring to the 1918 pandemic as taking place in 1917 a hundred times.

Both are funny and thoroughly been demonstrated to be wrong as wrong can be. The 1918 one is weird because he says it nearly every single day AND his grandfather died in the 1918 pandemic. You would think someone would have corrected him by now, but either they have not or he does not remember what year the “1918 Spanish Flu” took place in.

As for the Man of the Year award, it is a weird thing to get wrong as well, but apparently nobody has ever corrected him on it. He was handed a framed copy of the Gettysburg Address that he might have mistaken for Michigan Man of the Year. I think his reading level is at an extremely low level. It is why he has to have everything provided in pictures and single, short sentences.

So which is funnier to you?

Who needs Russia? Trump is just going to have the Senate subpoena Biden for a show trial in October.

So why do you think lowering MW would be beneficial?
What makes you think that the current level is above the level that nobody would work for? And if it isn't, then surely lowering it would make no difference, using your logic?

It is remarkable the President of the United States is criminally threaten to blackmail Michigan and Nevada, like they are our own Ukraine, at a time like this.

Even crazier is the blackmail is intended to stop people who have a right to vote from being able to safely vote.

He is a great man, and his business acumen has really served us well.

Which is what the WHO also did and before Trump and his Admin did, who were still praising CHina as trustable long after the WHO was raising concerns.

So you agree that Trump continuing to blame the WHO is wrong, right? I mean just to be consistent, correct?

Lol at all you trump DEFENDERS pretending like you just hate everyone. It is so cute.

It is nice you think DEFENDING Donald Trump on a non stop basis is being against both sides. Whatever makes you sleep at night I guess.



As for mickey’s economic prowess, he should start an economics course online to grift the Trump supporters. His ideas and their gullibility seem a good match. I am sure Luckbox can point you in the right direction on how to set up a YouTube grift.

I know why they support it, but I am curious as to why you think they support it. Odds are strong you are wrong. So please elaborate.

insider trader barbie's husband made a 1million dollar donation to the trump PAC at the end of april, so i guess we will not be getting an investigation into her actions dumping stocks based on confidential information..

The wealthy were still doing fantastically well back then. That little nugget does seem to get lost in the mix.

It would lower the price of nearly every product & service the middle class buys.

It would reduce unemployment.

I'm not sure if you meant to word your question the way you did or not. I do not think MW is above the level where nobody would be willing to work which is to say I think there are people out there that would be willing to work below MW.

As long as the government keeps giving away money to the unemployed above what they normal get it may not be. However, they can't do this forever so if we look at the time after the government fixes this mistake (or if we look at the time right before corona) we will see unemployment being reduced by still higher than we otherwise would see with no MW.

I know a lot of liberals think poor people are lazy and given the choice they would choose a smaller income and not have to work over a larger income and have to work, but I disagree with this. In general, people want to work and make their lives and the lives of their families better. So don't give me that well some people are lazy and won't work even if there was a higher demand for labor.

Unions support raises in MW to narrow the gap between the cost to employee a union member vs a non-union member who is making MW.

I would be curious to hear if you have another theory.

So your argument is basically that paying poor people less would mean that less people will be poor. Have I got that right?

Still relevant: The Effect of Minimum Wages on Low-Wage Jobs (2019)

So we can't attribute the same motives to workers that you attribute to the business owners ? ie. if you tax them too much (they make less money) they'll stop working as hard ?
Workers enjoy working hard for less but business owners need to make more to stay motivated ? This sounds very patronizing.

Also, waiting for your response on why the government stimulating the economy (which is 70% consumer driven) vie direct checks to consumers is less effective than your trickle down approach.
No thoughts on that ?

Also prices aren't directly tied to wages because labor is just one of many expenses and markets are competitive (well...in theory).

But let's not fog up this discussion with what pointy headed economists think.

I'd still like to hear what bahbah has to say about this minimum wage stuff, but based on prior personal experiences of these discussions (e.g. re: corporation tax), I am not too hopeful that it will be particularly insightful or informed.

Hot damn... just wiki'd her husband and he's the chairman of the NYSE. They live in a $10.5M house in Tuxedo Park (one of the most expensive zips in Georgia... not far from the governor's mansion).

This confuses me though because I was told that the Trump party was going to drain the swamp.

You know this has absolutely no relevance to the one party who you would hope would give a **** about it.

Hey, we don't like rats and guys who flip, capisce? Don't expect much swamp draining lol

We've been in the general area for awhile, but we're now fully in the "every aspect of reality that Trump doesn't like is fake liberal news" world

And all the Trump slappies, for all their purported opposition to fascism, are more than happy with that state of affairs.