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09-18-2019 , 10:36 PM
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Trying to own the libs mad libs.
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09-18-2019 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
You've done a great job of starting this discussion, sitting the entire thing out and then returning to the same lines to attack me with.
I've done a great job of pissing you off, largely by pointing out how absurd your "attack the left from the left while also advancing neocon positions" strategy is. tbf, it's not hard. To wit:

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Tell me Trolly...who is the Che Guevara organizing the fast food workers?
I feel like you're able to figure this out yourself (who taught you that not knowing how to google things is a strong rhetorical strategy???), but while you're at that, maybe look up your hero Tulsi Gabbard and see where she stands on the minimum wage.

PS: remember the other day how you were gushing about Cornel West and how he sticks it to those dastardly neo-liberals? Go google him and cafeteria unions.

I mean, just lol. You're a guy with informed opinions about next year's Triple Crown winner (any tips?) and somehow you think a fast food worker's union is a dangerous lobbying group. You just can't make this **** up.
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09-18-2019 , 11:08 PM
Trolly you're arguing that fast food workers have organized themselves and led protests in cities nationwide.
Nobody believes that. You don't believe it.
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09-18-2019 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
I don't think you understand how the government pays for stuff. Maybe google "government bonds" ?
I supose if you borrow money and dont pay it back while collecting bond money its all good? 20 trillion is it.......
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09-18-2019 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Trolly you're arguing that fast food workers have organized themselves and led protests in cities nationwide.
Nobody believes that. You don't believe it.
Luckbox,

Let me remind you again the playbook you are working against.



Trolly makes no arguments. He answers no questions. He has no point. There is no good faith discourse at all. The point is just to agitate you, period.

It is up to you how much you want to go down this dead end path.

If you want to have an honest discussion with someone coming from the left who isn't a bad faith troll, there are plenty of viable choices: Hue, Wild or Microbet off the top of my head.

But bad faith trolls like Trolly, Wookie or Max, there is no point other than if you get some sort of masochistic thrill out of it.
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09-19-2019 , 12:05 AM
Earlier today a poster argued that UBI and robust social services provides the best chance to have max employment and then the next post another poster argued that if we had stronger unions we wouldn’t have wage stagnation or people calling for $15/hr MW.

And we wonder why some of the dem politicians who love spouting stupid one liners or even over the top stupid economic ideas still are able to gain ground today.
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09-19-2019 , 12:09 AM
Some information on where the funding for the $15 push has come from
https://www.influencewatch.org/movem...-minimum-wage/
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The “Fight for $15” is a corporate campaign principally orchestrated and funded by the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) which seeks to unionize the quick-service franchise restaurant industry and raise the federal minimum wage by more than double to $15 per hour, using the slogan “$15 and a union.”[1] The campaign is heavily organized by the SEIU, a number of SEIU-funded left-wing pressure groups known by the catchall phrase “worker centers,” and the SEIU’s public relations consultants, BerlinRosen.[2]
The SEIU has targeted the quick-service restaurant industry in part because of low levels of present unionization and also because the turnover of employees in the industry creates a substantial revenue stream for the union in the form of initiation fees, which are mandatory in states without a right-to-work law.[14] One Manhattan Institute scholar estimated that the return to the SEIU for unionizing half of employees in McDonald’s restaurants alone would exceed $100 million per year in dues, initiation fees, and compelled “agency fees” in forced-unionism states.[15]
And on the SEIU
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The SEIU is one of the totems of the modern institutional left, with deep ties to the Democratic Party, liberal institutions, and the broader labor movement. Under former union president Andy Stern, SEIU was an original “institutional investor” in progressive donor association Democracy Alliance (DA).[2] Stern brought SEIU into close alliance with former President Barack Obama, with SEIU being one of the first major progressive groups to endorse his candidacy in the 2008 Democratic Party presidential primaries.[3]
So no. This doesn't exactly seem to be a grassroots movement started by the left or by fast food workers. Which given the sheer amount of attention that it's gotten should be obvious to everyone. (As the actual left doesn't have power to use media the way Fight for $15 has)
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Originally Posted by Bahbah
Earlier today a poster argued that UBI and robust social services provides the best chance to have max employment and then the next post another poster argued that if we had stronger unions we wouldn’t have wage stagnation or people calling for $15/hr MW.
I was arguing that had we not offshored jobs starting in the 70s and maintained stronger manufacturing and unions that the situation today could be different--which seems totally reasonable.

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09-19-2019 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Trolly you're arguing that fast food workers have organized themselves and led protests in cities nationwide.
Nobody believes that.

Damn, son. This is like a Lifetime Achievement Award in telling on yourself.
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09-19-2019 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Damn, son. This is like a Lifetime Achievement Award in telling on yourself.
How so?
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09-19-2019 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
How so?
Well allow me to elaborate:

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Trolly you're arguing that fast food workers have organized themselves and led protests in cities nationwide.
Nobody believes that. You don't believe it.
Like, my man, labor movements have been organizing themselves since way, way long before the internet was even a thing. Across many cities, even! You think fast food workers with access to the internets in 2012 aren't smart enough to coordinate across the US? What kind of manor-born shizz is this? For real, you think Soros staged a mock school shooting but you don't think lower-class people in the 2010's could stage a multi-city strike.
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09-19-2019 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Trolly you're arguing that fast food workers have organized themselves and led protests in cities nationwide.
Nobody believes that.
I don't know how to do rainbow text, but this **** seriously deserves some rainbow text, if any of y'all out there can do that.
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09-19-2019 , 12:48 AM
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You think fast food workers with access to the internets in 2012 aren't smart enough to coordinate across multiple cities in the US?
Fast food workers smart enough to organize a nationwide public relations campaign shouldn't be working in fast food.
No doubt there are plenty of smart people working in fast food but what you're alleging is sort of too much--especially when it all appears to be completely false.
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09-19-2019 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Fast food workers smart enough to organize a nationwide public relations campaign shouldn't be working in fast food.
Amazing.
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09-19-2019 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Amazing.
Do you think I'm wrong or do you think organizing nationwide pr campaigns is easy enough that anybody can do it?
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09-19-2019 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Do you think I'm wrong or do you think organizing nationwide pr campaigns is easy enough that anybody can do it?
I personally think that food service employees in 2010+ are capable of organizing a multi-city walkout. But you don't! Silly peasants know not to look you in the eye when they're taking your order at Mickey D's, obv they know their place, amirite?
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09-19-2019 , 01:04 AM
I'm not lying about the inside Triple Crown tips, tho. Post 'em here if you've got any.
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09-19-2019 , 01:06 AM
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In 2010, Mary Kay Henry became the first woman elected to lead SEIU after the resignation of Andy Stern.[4] She was unanimously re-elected in 2012.[5] As an SEIU executive,[6] she was a major participant and cheerleader in the SEIU’s heavy-handed top-down leadership style,[7] a style that she continued to espouse after her election to president. [8] [9]

Moreover, Henry is known as a master practitioner of corporate campaigns[10] and has been accused in multiple court filings and reports of leading campaigns to intimidate, extort, and blackmail corporate executives into agreeing to the union’s bargaining demands.[11] [12] [13]

Though not a registered lobbyist[14] Henry visited the Obama White House at least 15 times[15] and is very active politically. She was reportedly a board member[16] of the secretive left-of-center mega-donors club known as the Democracy Alliance in the past (though not as of February 2018),[17] endorsed Hillary Clinton for president in November 2015[18] and campaigned for her during the 2016 primaries, [19] and has steered hundreds of millions of dollars to political campaigns over the past three election cycles.[20] Henry’s political activity serves to promote not just labor policy prerogatives but also the larger progressive movement policy agenda. [21] She has argued that racism underpins all facets of political society,[22] endorsed and campaigned for Obamacare,[23] and has demanded aggressive government action to stop global warming.[24] Moreover, she is a staunch advocate for union expansion and a $15 minimum wage, though it was revealed that she did not pay “Fight for $15” organizers that wage level.[25] [26][27][28][29]
Trolly,
This individual here would seem to be the person responsible for seeing this Fight for $15 created. I think you should drop the idea that a ragtag band of burger flippers with a dream got together across cities nationwide.
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09-19-2019 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Trolly,
This individual here would seem to be the person responsible for seeing this Fight for $15 created. I think you should drop the idea that a ragtag band of burger flippers with a dream got together across cities nationwide.
LBI,

I think fast-food employees are capable of organizing a walkout. You don't! That's the essential disagreement between us.

PPS: "burger flippers" is kind of a tell, my man.

Yrs & etc.,

Trolly
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09-19-2019 , 01:25 AM
Trolly,
Where does the push for the $15 dollar minimum wage come from? Does it come from grassroots efforts or from major labor unions strongly connected to the democratic party? Am I right to consider it a neoliberal policy?
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PPS: "burger flippers" is kind of a tell, my man.
Trolly what is the best way to ensure that a burger is cooked evenly?
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I think fast-food employees are capable of organizing a walkout. You don't! That's the essential disagreement between us.
Don't lie that's what makes dealing with you frustrating. You think they are capable of organizing a nationwide public relations campaign.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 09-19-2019 at 01:35 AM.
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09-19-2019 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Oh my bad. I thought you had an understanding of the political landscape. The fight to raise minimum wage came from the left and the economic centrists were/are against it because of economic effeciency. As left wing activists pushed the 'Fight for 15' and papers liked the one I cited came out showing that the economics of the minimum wage is more complex than just raising the minimum wage equals rising unemployment more economic centrists have been convinced that raising the minimum wage, at a minimum, doesn't hurt and probably helps.
I asked him 3 times about the breakdown for minimum wage support to get him to realize that he is straight-up taking the neoliberal side against leftists, but it had zero resonance.
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09-19-2019 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Trolly,
This individual here would seem to be the person responsible for seeing this Fight for $15 created. I think you should drop the idea that a ragtag band of burger flippers with a dream got together across cities nationwide.
She doesn't sound like a huge neo-liberal illuminati satanist, but she also didn't start the fight for $15. She just supported it per your quote.

I don't know that there's one person in particular responsible for it, but if there is, I think it's this guy:

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/08/n...ies-at-57.html

Yes, he was a professional organizer. He organized squatting, car wash workers, home day care workers and had permanent seats at Bilderberg and Davos.
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09-19-2019 , 05:27 AM
As the war drums beat again and trump war 1 possibly on the way, it's worth remember the wise words of Winston Churchill

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It is a serious national evil that any class of His Majesty's subjects should receive less than a living wage in return for their utmost exertions. It was formerly supposed that the working of the laws of supply and demand would naturally regulate or eliminate that evil. The first clear division which we make on the question to-day is between healthy and unhealthy conditions of bargaining. That is the first broad division which we make in the general statement that the laws of supply and demand will ultimately produce a fair price. Where in the great staple trades in the country you have a powerful organisation on both sides, where you have responsible leaders able to bind their constituents to their decision, where that organisation is conjoint with an automatic scale of wages or arrangements for avoiding a deadlock by means of arbitration, there you have a healthy bargaining which increases the competitive power of the industry, enforces a progressive standard of life and the productive scale, and continually weaves capital and labour more closely together. But where you have what we call sweated trades, you have no organisation, no parity of bargaining, the good employer is undercut by the bad, and the bad employer is undercut by the worst; the worker, whose whole livelihood depends upon the industry, is undersold by the worker who only takes the trade up as a second string, his feebleness and ignorance generally renders the worker an easy prey to the tyranny; of the masters and middle-men, only a step higher up the ladder than the worker, and held in the same relentless grip of forces—where those conditions prevail you have not a condition of progress, but a condition of progressive degeneration.
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09-19-2019 , 08:02 AM
LOL Bahbah you are a republican shill and your ideas are 99% republican ideas. I am barely a democrat so try again.

Also LOL at that story about the whistleblower and Trump. Glad that the intelligence community and politicians care about whistleblowers.


Also LOL at Kelhus saying Trolly went to the Karl Rove school of debating. Triple LOL all over this post.
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09-19-2019 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Don't lie that's what makes dealing with you frustrating. You think they are capable of organizing a nationwide public relations campaign.
Sorry I make you feel bad about yourself, but "burger flippers" are capable of organizing a strike. I know you look down on these peasants, but there are some things they do know how to do.
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09-19-2019 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
She doesn't sound like a huge neo-liberal illuminati satanist, but she also didn't start the fight for $15. She just supported it per your quote.

I don't know that there's one person in particular responsible for it, but if there is, I think it's this guy:

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/08/n...ies-at-57.html

Yes, he was a professional organizer. He organized squatting, car wash workers, home day care workers and had permanent seats at Bilderberg and Davos.
Behold, the true face of the Illuminati who secretly run the world:

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