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It looks like 5 total, as of today. I guess some other charges might come later lol wire fraud for his campaign fundraising and endless legal expenses

https://apnews.com/projects/trump-in...minal-tracker/

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ecriture d'adulte

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What's even the defense in the GA case? There is tape....so is it just straight "it's legal for the president to tell election officials to rig an election for him"?

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chillrob

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Originally Posted by Luciom

it might very well be the case that there is no case, but given prosecutors would be from the DOJ, are you really asking why Biden DOJ wouldnt prosecute people who allegedly helped Biden get elected lol.

if trump had won in 2020 he wouldn't have been prosecuted for alleged federal crimes related to Jan 6 or mar a Lago documents

I don't think the Biden administration would necessarily be the one to prosecute. Most of Trump's charges have not been from there.

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chillrob

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

The objection is not really about drumming up false charges. It's about selectively pursuing valid charges that were usually ignored or handled differently.

Argue the rights and wrongs all we like but we're going to see many politicians (and their families) pursued intensley more and more over matters that would have been igored in the past. It is politcally motivated. It will also extend to situations where they are found innocent - doesn't matter as in the usa the process is the punishment.

Sounds good to me! I would prefer to have fewer corrupt politicians.

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Yesterday , 11:08 PM

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chillrob

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte

What's even the defense in the GA case? There is tape....so is it just straight "it's legal for the president to tell election officials to rig an election for him"?

I have always figured that he would claim to have meant there really were lots of his votes that got misplaced and could be found.

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Yesterday , 11:38 PM

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chezlaw

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Originally Posted by chillrob

Sounds good to me! I would prefer to have fewer corrupt politicians.

Sounds good but I'n not sure that's what will be the result.

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Today , 12:31 AM

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Brian James

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte

What's even the defense in the GA case? There is tape....so is it just straight "it's legal for the president to tell election officials to rig an election for him"?

Except that he didn't tell them to do that at all. Why do people like you lie so much?

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Today , 12:48 AM

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chillrob

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He did ask them nicely.

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Today , 01:38 AM

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27offsuit

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Originally Posted by Brian James

Except that he didn't tell them to do that at all. Why do people like you lie so much?

You're actually right, he only wanted him to "find 11,780 votes,
which is one more than we have …".

Anyone who reads this GA call transcript and sees anything but election interference simply isn't a serious person.

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Schlitz mmmm

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Today , 03:22 AM

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Brian James

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Originally Posted by 27offsuit

Not exactly. Here are the exact words from the transcript.

"So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes,
which is one more than we have …"

Note, he says "I want to find 11,780 votes". He doesn't say " I want you to manufacture votes out of thin air". So that could mean anything. Maybe he thinks some votes went missing or weren't counted. Who knows?

So, no I wouldn't say that reaches the threshold of election interference. Not even close. It's just a request to find some missing votes.

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Today , 04:09 AM

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Montrealcorp

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Originally Posted by Brian James

Not exactly. Here are the exact words from the transcript.

"So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes,
which is one more than we have Â…"

Note, he says "I want to find 11,780 votes". He doesn't say " I want you to manufacture votes out of thin air". So that could mean anything. Maybe he thinks some votes went missing or weren't counted. Who knows?

So, no I wouldn't say that reaches the threshold of election interference. Not even close. It's just a request to find some missing votes.

And you think trump is stupid enough in thinking to ask like that ?
Lol.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/21/11064...l-in-real-time

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Arizona lawmaker Rusty Bowers details the pressure put on him by Trump and Giuliani
Notably, Trump had already been told repeatedly by top Justice Department officials that his claims about widespread voter fraud in Georgia Â— the claims he would go on to make in the 67-minute phone call with RaffenspergerÂ— were completely false. And Georgia had already investigated those claims, found none, and certified its election results.

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When Raffensperger told Trump on the call that his investigators hadn't found proof supporting his claims, the former president said "they're either dishonest or incompetent.

After a recount, Cuellar edges Cisneros in a closely watched Texas Democratic primary
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After a recount, Cuellar edges Cisneros in a closely watched Texas Democratic primary
Trump asked Raffensperger to "find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won this state."

"What I knew is that we didn't have any votes to find," Raffensperger said. "That was an accurate count that had been certified."

Trump suggested Raffensperger could be subject to criminal liability for his role in the matter.

Schiff pointed to a tweet from pro-Trump attorney Lin Wood from a few weeks before the phone call, saying that Trump gave Raffensperger and Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp "every chance to get it right."

"They refused. They will soon be going to jail," Wood wrote. Trump retweeted that tweet.

On the phone with Raffensperger, Trump said that submitting shredded and unsigned ballots would be "more illegal for you than it is is for [the people doing so], because you know what they did and you're not reporting it."

He went on to call it a criminal offense and a big risk.

Later, after Raffensperger had denied the fraud allegations, Trump said he thought it was "dangerous for you to say that."

Trump went on to repeat those claims in his Jan. 6 speech at the Ellipse.

Despite the evidence to the contrary, Trump repeated claims of widespread voter fraud in Georgia during his public address on Jan. 6, putting Raffensperger and his family in even more danger.

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