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01-05-2024 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I made no such distinction.
correct, you did not, but you should have like the article does.

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There's nothing at all weird for women to want a separate league where they won't be harassed.
There IS something weird. For example it would also be weird if there existed a black only league because people wouldn't stop calling black people the n-word.

I understand the normal part of wanting such separate leagues given certain circumstances. But its a loss of plot to claim a transgender should have access to a league that was created 'because of inequality' because equality suggests such.

Morality, if we mean to derive from reason, instead suggests the men should behave so woman and trans feel comfortable playing with them.

^^^ I mean to point out that its interesting the 'if you complain about cross-competing you are transphobic' brigade seems to miss that.

Last edited by jbouton; 01-05-2024 at 03:36 PM.
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01-05-2024 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
There IS something weird. For example it would also be weird if there existed a black only league because people wouldn't stop calling black people the n-word.
lol what? If black people are being harassed it makes perfect sense for them to seek spaces where they won't be harassed. You're making zero sense.
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01-05-2024 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
You're making zero sense.
Probably blindly re-posting ChatGPT responses again, this time without attribution.
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01-05-2024 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
lol what? If black people are being harassed it makes perfect sense for them to seek spaces where they won't be harassed. You're making zero sense.
It makes zero sense to focus the moral outrage on whether or not white people that identify as black people should be treated as black people in black only sports when it could be focused on the racism that causes the black only division to exist in the first place.
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01-05-2024 , 03:59 PM
If we need to put it another way...

its not valid logic to say 'women are uncomfortable playing versus men in chess, therefore lia thomas didn't have an unfair physical advantage against the woman he competed against.'.

Last edited by jbouton; 01-05-2024 at 04:09 PM.
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01-05-2024 , 04:30 PM
You can't say he anymore read the guidelines
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01-05-2024 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
You can't say he anymore read the guidelines
If thats true I'll have that changed immediately.
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01-05-2024 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
It makes zero sense to focus the moral outrage on whether or not white people that identify as black people should be treated as black people in black only sports when it could be focused on the racism that causes the black only division to exist in the first place.
I didn’t say anything like that? Are you okay?
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01-05-2024 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
If thats true I'll have that changed immediately.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=6342

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Deliberately misgendering transgender people who publicly present themselves as one gender in order to make the indirect point that you do not acknowledge the existence of transgender people is also prohibited.
You called her a he when you shoulda called her a she and not a he. Maybe you find calling she a he all tee-hee worthy but I can assure you others do not. So call her a he in future or else you might get banned...by They.
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01-05-2024 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Your argument has become circular. One winner events regardless of age, sex or disability would be less inclusive in my opinion than one that provides multiple prizes for these different exclusive divisions.

Time for me to get off this ride.
Correct, one winner events like women-only chess events are not at all inclusive.
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01-05-2024 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
I also don't get what chillrob is going on about regarding marathons.
I didn't bring up the marathon example. Jj did, and he somehow believes that marathons in which anyone can compete are equivalent to chess tournaments in which only women can compete.
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01-05-2024 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
lol what? If black people are being harassed it makes perfect sense for them to seek spaces where they won't be harassed. You're making zero sense.
You don't think it would be preferable to work on reducing racism and race based harassment?

In sports things have changed from having single race teams and leagues to inclusive teams and leagues, which most seem the think is a positive thing.
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01-05-2024 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=6342

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Deliberately misgendering transgender people who publicly present themselves as one gender in order to make the indirect point that you do not acknowledge the existence of transgender people is also prohibited.
You called her a he when you shoulda called her a she and not a he. Maybe you find calling she a he all tee-hee worthy but I can assure you others do not. So call her a he in future or else you might get banned...by They.
I acknowledge trans people exist and I like them in general or ones I know and have met. I didn't do it to deny their existence, I called lia a he to deny him the rights of winning a woman ncaa swimming championship which he cheated to win.

It would be absurd to ban that, it would be like banning dead naming celebrities
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01-05-2024 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I didn’t say anything like that? Are you okay?
We are just making sure you follow the logic properly...
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Originally Posted by chillrob
You don't think it would be preferable to work on reducing racism and race based harassment?

In sports things have changed from having single race teams and leagues to inclusive teams and leagues, which most seem the think is a positive thing.
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01-05-2024 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Correct, one winner events like women-only chess events are not at all inclusive.
Correct, one winner events are not at all inclusive.

Correct, women-only chess events are not at all inclusive.

Correct, multiple divisions within a single activity that awards multiple prizes to exclusive categories can be more inclusive than one winner events.
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01-05-2024 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Correct, one winner events are not at all inclusive.

Correct, women-only chess events are not at all inclusive.

Correct, multiple divisions within a single activity that awards multiple prizes to exclusive categories can be more inclusive than one winner events.
I agree with all three of these.

You previously claimed the opposite for statement 2.
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01-05-2024 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
I acknowledge trans people exist and I like them in general or ones I know and have met. I didn't do it to deny their existence, I called lia a he to deny him the rights of winning a woman ncaa swimming championship which he cheated to win.

It would be absurd to ban that, it would be like banning dead naming celebrities
YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN!!
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01-05-2024 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
I called lia a he to deny him the rights of winning a woman ncaa swimming championship which he cheated to win.
All rules were followed. There was no cheating. The question is - are the rules appropriate?
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01-05-2024 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob

You previously claimed the opposite for statement 2.
Cite?
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01-05-2024 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
All rules were followed. There was no cheating. The question is - are the rules appropriate?
Thats just semantics again of course. Its the same question reformed. Lia says 'I didn't cheat, ask the committee'.

JBouton says, 'ur a dude you cheater'.

I'd even call her a chick in other things if that helps the matter.

So sure 'are the rules appropriate?'.
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01-05-2024 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Cite?
Not needed, you guys agree regardless.
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01-05-2024 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
You don't think it would be preferable to work on reducing racism and race based harassment?.
Is that what I said? Try re-reading and get back to me, there seems to be some confusion.
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01-05-2024 , 05:58 PM
If only there were a way to have women's tournaments while also trying to reduce misogyny in male-dominated games / sports.
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01-05-2024 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
If only there were a way to have women's tournaments while also trying to reduce misogyny in male-dominated games / sports.
But rapey chess men validating the existence of a women's chess league isn't a moral validation that a man that doesn't want to play against men morally fits in with woman that feel the same way and thus leading to a man winning the woman ncaa swimming champs.
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01-05-2024 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Wait, it has? Isn't that kinda what the debate for the last 2+ years in this forum has been about? Have you finally proved it?

“Finally proved it”…Umm, it had never been disproven. Saying a “trans woman” is really just a man is a biological fact.
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