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09-08-2022 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
What additional hoops should trans people have to jump through to qualify for gender reassignment?
That same "hoop" that all of us had "jump through" to qualify for voting, getting married, joining the military, drinking, smoking, getting a tattoo, making any important decisions for ourselves, based on laws created by society: Becoming an adult.
09-08-2022 , 02:27 PM
Well I have some great news for you guys:

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...s-or-change-t/
09-08-2022 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
What is your ****ing question?
Do you feel the same way [that government should have no say about family decisions to alter a child's genitals] about "female circumcision" (removal of much of the genitals) done as a religious practice in parts of Africa?
09-08-2022 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Well I have some great news for you guys:

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...s-or-change-t/
You're a slowpony.

Someone else already posted that exact same link a few pages back, and I refuted it with several other sources I found online.
No one responded to my refutation, probably because it got lost in the sea of your BS posts.

That page equivocates by first stating no one under 18 is getting the surgeries, then stating in the summary:

• Gender reassignment surgery is typically only available to those 18 and older in the United States.
09-08-2022 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Do you feel the same way [that government should have no say about family decisions to alter a child's genitals] about "female circumcision" (removal of much of the genitals) done as a religious practice in parts of Africa?
The **** all does that have to do with trans issues?
09-08-2022 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Well I have some great news for you guys:

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...s-or-change-t/
No where do I claim otherwise Trolly.

We are arguing because you keep telling me that society (individuals) have no role in areas like THAT which is what we are arguing over.
09-08-2022 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The **** all does that have to do with trans issues?
Lol, another refusal to answer.

It has to do with whether the government should have a say in any genital surgeries being done on children. Either you think the government should have a say in them, or you think they shouldn't.

You're welcome to answer this question instead, if you will give it a YES or NO, with no other equivocation.

Do you think the government should have a role in deciding whether surgery should be done on the genitals of a child?
09-08-2022 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Lol, another refusal to answer.

It has to do with whether the government should have a say in any genital surgeries being done on children. Either you think the government should have a say in them, or you think they shouldn't.

You're welcome to answer this question instead, if you will give it a YES or NO, with no other equivocation.

Do you think the government should have a role in deciding whether surgery should be done on the genitals of a child?
Ritual genital mutilation has nothing to do with trans issues. Neither does the malaria vaccine. It’s all random deflections because that’s all you’ve got.


Meanwhile:

https://www.childrenshospital.org/pr...bility-surgery

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To qualify for gender affirmation at Boston Children's Hospital, you must be at least 18 years old for phalloplasty or metoidioplasty and for vaginoplasty.
You must also have the following:

A letter from a medical doctor or nurse practitioner stating that you have "persistent, well documented, gender dysphoria" and specifying the length of hormone therapy.

A letter from your regular therapist stating that you have "persistent, well documented, gender dysphoria," that any significant mental health concerns are well controlled and that you have been living full time in your identified gender for at least 12 months.

A second letter, from a mental health professional familiar with the procedure you are seeking, stating you are ready for surgery. This should include your understanding of the surgery procedure and recovery needs, fertility implications of surgery, and risks of surgery. It should also state that you are able to consent for surgery and include an assessment of your support systems.

09-08-2022 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004

Oh, and a study ending in the early 2000s when coming out as trans in many ways could be a death sentence.
'Coming out as trans' has never been a death sentence. On the other hand, in Iran, gay men can only avoid the death sentence by agreeing to be transed, to 'trans away the gay' as Americans like to put it. The Iranian regime is highly praised by British and US trans activists, not surprisingly. The British trans activist org Stonewall is greatly in favour of the mad mullahs of Tehran for their supposedly enlightened views.
09-08-2022 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Ritual genital mutilation has nothing to do with trans issues.
In your opinion. But my most recent direct question didn't mention ritual genital mutilation, it was a pretty general question.

Great to hear about Boston Children's Hospital. I guess...it is very odd they are addressing the issue at all. Why would a children's hospital be doing any procedures on someone who is over 18? If that truly is their policy, I don't understand why they are in the business of gender affirmation surgery at all. Surgeries done on adults would be better handled in a hospital for adults. If a place labeled "Children's Hospital" is doing any of these surgeries, people are going to reasonably assume that they are being done on children, leading to confusion and opportunities for protest that could be easily avoided.

I just read the page. It says "chest surgery" may be done at age 15 with parental consent. So it's not all good news.
09-08-2022 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
'Coming out as trans' has never been a death sentence. On the other hand, in Iran, gay men can only avoid the death sentence by agreeing to be transed, to 'trans away the gay' as Americans like to put it. The Iranian regime is highly praised by British and US trans activists, not surprisingly. The British trans activist org Stonewall is greatly in favour of the mad mullahs of Tehran for their supposedly enlightened views.
Can you post some support for the statement that American and British advocates for transgender rights support policies that force gay men to live as women?
09-08-2022 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
In your opinion. But my most recent direct question didn't mention ritual genital mutilation, it was a pretty general question.

Great to hear about Boston Children's Hospital. I guess...it is very odd they are addressing the issue at all. Why would a children's hospital be doing any procedures on someone who is over 18? If that truly is their policy, I don't understand why they are in the business of gender affirmation surgery at all. Surgeries done on adults would be better handled in a hospital for adults. If a place labeled "Children's Hospital" is doing any of these surgeries, people are going to reasonably assume that they are being done on children, leading to confusion and opportunities for protest that could be easily avoided.
I'm no expert on children's hospitals, but I suspect that many of them treat adults (especially young adults), even if they specialize in the treatment of children.
09-08-2022 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm no expert on children's hospitals, but I suspect that many of them treat adults (especially young adults), even if they specialize in the treatment of children.
Yes, they probably do. But do you agree that it would avoid unwanted controversy to have such surgeries done at a regular adult hospital?
09-08-2022 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Yes, they probably do. But do you agree that it would avoid unwanted controversy to have such surgeries done at a regular adult hospital?
I think this is a non issue.
09-08-2022 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Yes, they probably do. But do you agree that it would avoid unwanted controversy to have such surgeries done at a regular adult hospital?
This is some real chutzpah. One way to avoid controversy is to not spin wild takes of children getting gender reassignment surgeries on a whim.
09-08-2022 , 04:25 PM
Trans ppl are the worst! This is where we go to be bigoted pricks right?

      
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