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01-25-2023 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
Most straight men would like to have more sexual partners, ok.
This is part of what I was implying in my posts that it's very hard to understand gender identity or lgbt sexualities if you don't even bother to understand women's sexuality at all, the supposed objects of your desire.
Many men, before you get to "disapprove" or the "secretly find it gross", the underlying problem is that they don't respect any sexuality that is not their exact own, and that category is not just lgbt but also womens. valid sexuality revolves entirely around the pleasure and sense of accomplishment you get from your dick into a vagina. They've thought a lot about those ten minutes but haven't thought about women's sexual needs at all, let alone lgbt sexual needs.

The truth is there are a lot of women who aren't having their sexual needs met and a lot of guys uninterested in learning because those frustrations aren't considered a problem. It's only seen as a societal problem if straight men aren't having their sexual needs fulfilled.

So i'm sorry you feel like you don't have enough sexual partners, maybe spend 5 minutes thinking about peoples sexual needs other than your own.
You're projecting a lot here. I didn't say anything about my sexual needs or societal problems.

The fact is that many, maybe most men would be interested in anonymous sexual encounters, but most women are not. You can see it in the different typical sexual behavior of the average gay man vs the average lesbian. No judgement from me intended on either of those behavior patterns. It just leads to gay men having more sexual partners than straight men.
01-25-2023 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
You're projecting a lot here. I didn't say anything about my sexual needs or societal problems.

The fact is that many, maybe most men would be interested in anonymous sexual encounters, but most women are not. You can see it in the different typical sexual behavior of the average gay man vs the average lesbian. No judgement from me intended on either of those behavior patterns. It just leads to gay men having more sexual partners than straight men.
I feel like, there is a big difference between anonymous sex and casual sex. Currently i'm not interested in either, I ideally want to settle down now that i'm in my 30's. I think most women, men, and lgbt like casual sex under the right circumstances and that some people in all 3 groups have anonymous sex but it's not a big thing. I've never liked the idea of anonymous sex. I think you're using the term anonymous sex in a similarly clueless way as your use of the term felching and trying to imply there is something dirty or foreign to gay sex. Most gay men don't want to have anonymous sex and do want to have loving relationships.
01-25-2023 , 11:51 AM
I'm not a fan of casual sex. Get you're back into it or dont bother, I say
01-25-2023 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I'm not a fan of casual sex. Get you're back into it or dont bother, I say
Sounds like youre a huge outlier because perhaps i'm reading too much into things but chill rob says most straight guys like anonymous sex, most straight guys want a larger quantity of sex partners but those men can't get those sex partners because women aren't as interested in sex.
01-25-2023 , 12:21 PM
There is a joke about lesbians:

Q: What do lesbians do for a second date?
A: Rent a moving truck.
01-25-2023 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
Sounds like youre a huge outlier because perhaps i'm reading too much into things but chill rob says most straight guys like anonymous sex, most straight guys want a larger quantity of sex partners but those men can't get those sex partners because women aren't as interested in sex.
It was a joke by the late great Mel Smith
01-25-2023 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
Sounds like youre a huge outlier because perhaps i'm reading too much into things but chill rob says most straight guys like anonymous sex, most straight guys want a larger quantity of sex partners but those men can't get those sex partners because women aren't as interested in sex.
I haven't done any research, but I expect that the percentage of gay men who had a ton of sexual partners was higher in the 1970s and early 1980s, especially in big cities, than it is now or than it was by the late 1990s. It's hard to find a gay man who lived in New York during the 70s and 80s who did not have one or more friends or acquaintances who died of AIDs. I'm sure that made many people more cautious.

The effect on overall behavior presumably was slower moving because we pretended for almost twenty years that gay men were the only people truly at risk.

Last edited by Rococo; 01-25-2023 at 01:06 PM.
01-25-2023 , 12:46 PM
Itt guys who can't get laid blame gays for AIDS

"women don't do casual sex like guys", um ok, sucks to be you then. Bet your 20s were a blast

"But guys just bang anything, anytime, ergo, guys on guys must be a crazy bang fest where anything goes" ok then, maybe you're just curious and jealous bc women be banging, don't let em fool you with their no ty, bc they're saying yes to someone, just not you

There's a reason a small percentage of men absolutely clean up with women, and you guys are it, so ty

Anways, as browser mentioned it's the anal not the banal that spreads it lots, but lol @ this blast from the 80s past
01-25-2023 , 12:56 PM
You guys should focus more on standard deviation within a population than difference of means between populations.
01-25-2023 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
You guys should focus more on standard deviation within a population than difference of means between populations.
I'm intrigued. What are you getting at? The discussion has taken enough turns that this is pretty vague.
01-25-2023 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I'm intrigued. What are you getting at? The discussion has taken enough turns that this is pretty vague.
How can something be "pretty vague?" Kinda like saying something is "vaguely vague."
01-25-2023 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by shortstacker
How can something be "pretty vague?" Kinda like saying something is "vaguely vague."
Nah.

"Pretty" in this context is an intensifier. It has the same meaning as 'quite', or 'rather'.
01-25-2023 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Nah.

"Pretty" in this context is an intensifier. It has the same meaning as 'quite', or 'rather'.
Got it. Thanks for your clarification.
01-25-2023 , 01:31 PM
A gay coworker once suggested to me that gay men are generally very promiscuous, which I took to mean more so than straight folks. I truly believe what he said. Hanging out one day, after a conversation turned to such matters, which included him divulging the name of one of his conquests, he deigned to ask if I would be interested in experimentation, which I declined. I regarded him as one of the more popular people at work and I figured him to be one of the more socially intelligent people at work as well, so I tended to put credence on his opinions on this subject, like he would be one to be in the know. Just one person though, to be sure.
01-25-2023 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I'm intrigued. What are you getting at? The discussion has taken enough turns that this is pretty vague.
Take any measurement you might like (ex: # of casual partners) about two populations (ex: gay guys and straight guys). A low level comparison is just to compare the means and make a claim like that gay guys have more casual partners on average than straight guys. But you can also look at the distributions, and the standard deviation is one way to do this which is a measure of how spread out the distribution is. A population with a large standard deviation would have large numbers of people far away from the mean. One common mistake people make when focusing on means and not standard deviations is if there is a tonne of variability within populations such that the difference between the means isn't really all that important.

Our whole example of gay people and casual partners is pretty cringe and getting tangential to long running attacks against gay communities, but you can make the same point when comparing something like Canadians vs Americans that are probably a bit different in their behaviours but the variance within the countries is a lot more of an important story than the difference between the two population means.
01-25-2023 , 02:18 PM
That makes sense. Ty.
01-25-2023 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Did politics get merged with Penthouse letters when I went out today?
Yes.
01-25-2023 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
I feel like, there is a big difference between anonymous sex and casual sex. Currently i'm not interested in either, I ideally want to settle down now that i'm in my 30's. I think most women, men, and lgbt like casual sex under the right circumstances and that some people in all 3 groups have anonymous sex but it's not a big thing. I've never liked the idea of anonymous sex. I think you're using the term anonymous sex in a similarly clueless way as your use of the term felching and trying to imply there is something dirty or foreign to gay sex. Most gay men don't want to have anonymous sex and do want to have loving relationships.
I have never known any straight men or women who had anonymous sex. Hardly any women over 40 are interested in casual sex (and many aren't interested in sex at all).

And I'm not implying anything dirty or foreign, I'm just talking about pure numbers. And I didn't use the term felching at all, I just got rid of the asterisks so our moderator would know what the gay man quoted here was saying.

Last edited by chillrob; 01-25-2023 at 04:06 PM.
01-25-2023 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Take any measurement you might like (ex: # of casual partners) about two populations (ex: gay guys and straight guys). A low level comparison is just to compare the means and make a claim like that gay guys have more casual partners on average than straight guys. But you can also look at the distributions, and the standard deviation is one way to do this which is a measure of how spread out the distribution is. A population with a large standard deviation would have large numbers of people far away from the mean. One common mistake people make when focusing on means and not standard deviations is if there is a tonne of variability within populations such that the difference between the means isn't really all that important.

Our whole example of gay people and casual partners is pretty cringe and getting tangential to long running attacks against gay communities, but you can make the same point when comparing something like Canadians vs Americans that are probably a bit different in their behaviours but the variance within the countries is a lot more of an important story than the difference between the two population means.
Of course there is a wide variability within each group, but that doesn't mean that distinctions shouldn't be made.

There is a huge variability in athleticism within males and within females. Every female professional athlete is far above myself in that area. But I'm pretty sure you were one of the people who didn't like my idea of ceasing to divide sports leagues by gender.
01-25-2023 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Yes.
hey 57 on red! You're always so interesting and insightful, I really mean it. I could listen to you talk about politics all day. Thanks for being here daddy.
01-25-2023 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I haven't done any research, but I expect that the percentage of gay men who had a ton of sexual partners was higher in the 1970s and early 1980s, especially in big cities, than it is now or than it was by the late 1990s. It's hard to find a gay man who lived in New York during the 70s and 80s who did not have one or more friends or acquaintances who died of AIDs. I'm sure that made many people more cautious.

The effect on overall behavior presumably was slower moving because we pretended for almost twenty years that gay men were the only people truly at risk.
The economic and cultural damage that hiv had back then is probably incalculable. It's horrible to think about. Imagine where lgbt culture would be now that if it hadn't happened- of course I know it's still a worldwide problem. I haven't seen any evidence that it was abioweapon but you have to wonder.
01-25-2023 , 05:48 PM
Let me be the first to congratulate those members of the gay community who take advantage of the invitation of the pope today.

https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...t-not-a-crime/

Keeping in mind that people who voluntarily join a group are much more likely to embrace that group's tenets than those who were born into it, I wonder how many will now jump at the chance to believe in ridiculous stories or to proclaim, abortion, homosexuality, and thinking Jesus was just a man as, if not an outright crime, at least a grievous sin.
01-25-2023 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I have never known any straight men or women who had anonymous sex. Hardly any women over 40 are interested in casual sex (and many aren't interested in sex at all).
Wait-- I thought anonymous sex just meant one night stands with people you just met? Is it something different?
01-25-2023 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Of course there is a wide variability within each group, but that doesn't mean that distinctions shouldn't be made.

There is a huge variability in athleticism within males and within females. Every female professional athlete is far above myself in that area. But I'm pretty sure you were one of the people who didn't like my idea of ceasing to divide sports leagues by gender.
Sorry I'm about to sound like a Peterson fanboy, but in that case with two overlapping distributions with the same standard deviation but different means, then if you want to look at people in far tails, like the top 1%, then those people will overwhelmingly be from the distribution with the higher mean. Example almost all the fastest sprinters in the world will be male. However, when I advocated for trans inclusion in sport I wasn't focusing on elite, professional sports. I was talking more about teens playing on their local school's baseball team.
01-25-2023 , 07:00 PM
browser quit holding out and disclose these hetero glory hole locations

      
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