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01-24-2023 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
and yet now the problem you guys have is people like washoe having a dissenting viewpoint
I didn't think washoe was going to get banned for his views. I thought he was going to get banned for the most common reason -- refusing to knock it the **** off after repeated warnings from the mod, and then arguing with mod about whether he should knock it the **** off.

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if we want an echo chamber then it's better to just cut out the middle man and have a circle jerk - in which case we should ban washoe because he'd certainly object to that
OK. That's funny.

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you may not like or disagree his views, but it's important to be represented here because it's not a fringe belief by any means
I'm not sure that I buy this logic. Millions of people believe that the election was stolen. I'm not at all convinced that it is important that their viewpoints be represented on this site.
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01-24-2023 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I'm not exactly into pictures of naked men myself, honestly. I don't think that should qualify as being homophobic. I have no problem with men wearing clothes regardless of their sexual orientation.
What percentage of male posters on this site do you imagine voluntarily watched a video in the last week that featured a naked man? Exposed dicks, in and of themselves, are not the issue for posters like washoe.
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01-24-2023 , 10:30 PM
Cliffs: I don't care that much about the specific commercial and f**lching doesn't appeal to me.

I can recall personally being uncomfortable with pictures of guys kissing. A long time ago, when I got into trouble, after having gone through my original two therapists and a social worker without avail, I later got a new therapist who was a specialist, and he was the first person I ever talked to about my sexuality in an honest way.Note I was so terrified of my own sexual thoughts that I did not describe them honestly to multiple therapists. He was gay as well and I often described things to him in ways which would be considered homophobic by some. But regardless of my low opinion of myself and other gay men, who I often would describe as not being manly enough, not realizing at the time the blatant internalized homophobia. Internalized homophobia is a big problem.

Which is why we need more images of guys kissing. So that people can be more confident in themselves...

I don't see how you could draw any conclusions about anything from that commercial, it's one commercial. But then the conversation veered into felching territory , and it was implied that gay guys have some disgusting habits that might be dangerous to learn, but actually gay sex is on average less disgusting than straight sex. Straight men are often nasty and unclean.
As has already been pointed out you can't take a weird fetish and ascribe it to all gay men as if to say there is some new weird invading sexuality. I could do the same thing.

Straight men dress up like dogs and watch two guys lick peanut butter off womens hairy anomias. is that really something we want our young impressionable gay men to be exposed to??
Like seriously I recently saw a commercial where this guy was licking this woman's leg and then he noticed she had a hair on her otherwise leg so he clipped the hair off her otherwise perfect leg and then he put the hair into his mouth. It was wtf but presumably she was so hot he wanted to eat the leg hair or something but to anyone watching who wasn't perving on the model it was disgusting.



So like for me, I have my own sexual interests that are my own.

I was just looking at this dress and found it to be exciting and pleasing to look at, especially since the color is great for the models skin tone, she wears it almost as well as I would( ) and was imagining wearing her wardrobe ( which in practical terms is too inaccessible for me to accurately emulate)



I was thinking about a tall guy I recently met at a wedding and imagining him undressing me wearing that dress as I looked at it. I have a strong imagination and feel his strong hands looking for straps or zippers as he kisses me and taking it off with great force, stupidly telling me that it's a nice dress and I look so hot.

I imagine him still in his suit sans jacket pinning my naked body against a wall as he kissed me and then leading my hand into his pants and then motioning me into bed.

I imagine him letting me help him undress and seeing his beautiful 7 inch cock. I imagine him being very gentle and me on top riding him feeling him deep inside me , feeling his desire for me. I imagine him coming and then I imagine him doing me again, and again. 4 times in a row.

I imagine him kissing me goodbye with his penis lightly touching my waist and giving me his credit card and asking me to buy lingerie and take pictures while he is at work.


I imagine many many things like this.

But I would never imagine felching because it doesn't appeal to me and it's kind of a turn off based on the kind of sex I do like to have. Like I kind of feel like after a hot guy comes over you whether it's on your chest or your butt or your face, I feel like at that point it no longer belongs to him teehee. It would be weird if he was like no now I want my own come back. I would be like no it's mine!
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01-24-2023 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
What percentage of male posters on this site do you imagine voluntarily watched a video in the last week that featured a naked man? Exposed dicks, in and of themselves, are not the issue for posters like washoe.
Well sure. But straight males aren't watching porn for the dudes, they're just an unfortunate component.
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01-24-2023 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
What percentage of male posters on this site do you imagine voluntarily watched a video in the last week that featured a naked man? Exposed dicks, in and of themselves, are not the issue for posters like washoe.
I'm going to guess over 50%
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01-24-2023 , 10:57 PM
Did politics get merged with Penthouse letters when I went out today?
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01-24-2023 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Did politics get merged with Penthouse letters when I went out today?
Clicks have been down and something needed to be done.
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01-24-2023 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Do you think in any city there are more gay bars than straight bars? That straight men's number of sex partners is significantly different than gay men?

You need to stop this fear mongering about gay men. It isnt appropriate for this thread. And since, as you pointed out, 70% of hiv cases are gay/bi men, who only make up about 5% of the population, there is hardly some great risk to the whole society.

So stop with this irresponsible posting now.
I definitely think straight men's number of sex partners is much lower than that of gay men.

Most straight men would love to have a much larger number of partners, but most women are not interested in anonymous sex.
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01-24-2023 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
You mean neither position is inherently good or bad, better ot worse? It's just the side with the better weapons than the other who wins, but it doesn't matter which side that is?
If we assume Naturalistic Evolution, the answer is certainly "It doesn't matter at all."

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Does feeding the hungry include foods stamps, so there is a side that wants to provide food stamps and a side that wants to cut them? Or expanding or reducing the free school lunch program?
Given Naturalistic Evolution, absolutely nothing has any more (or any less) value than the vomit a dog spews on the carpet. Our thoughts and feelings are nothing but basically brain barf.

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I think the two sides have been drawn on this issue, but strangely the side most likely to wrap themselves in god's mantle is the side that shows little interest in feeding the hungry.
Since I do not believe in Naturalistic Evolution, and instead believe that all people are made in the image of God, then I know I am commanded to help the needy.

That there are inconsistent/ hypocritical Christians doesn't negate the larger point I was making.
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01-24-2023 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
This mantra is why it is so important to some religious people that homosexuality remains considered a choice and a sin. Because if they are born that way, and all people are made in god's image, then that would mean than either god made a mistake (impossible) or homosexuals are actually just fine to god. Because if god wanted homosexuals put to death, why would he keep making so many of them?
The above questions are only relevant if naturalism is false.

Once we clear that hurdle, I would be delighted to answer your questions.
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01-24-2023 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
I'd like to see your source. Everything on the CDC site says that the new infection rate of gay and bisexual men decreased. And given that 70% of new cases are from that category I think it would be almost statistically impossible for there to be a 25% increase in the 70% group and have a large enough decrease in the 30% group to net a total decrease.
Stopped reading after the bolded.
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01-24-2023 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I definitely think straight men's number of sex partners is much lower than that of gay men.

Most straight men would love to have a much larger number of partners, but most women are not interested in anonymous sex.
yeah this is what i was talking about how first the gay community got wrongfully victimized regarding aids to the point where straight people who had the disease kept it secret because they were worried everyone would say it's because they are gay

but it's absolutely objective truth that homosexuals on average have more partners and are generally of a casual nature

there's been many studies on this and anecdotally it checks out as I know a number of the married gay couples I know still mix it up with introducing outsiders or going out solo - they are "sneaking about" as it's all sanctioned and what they agreed to do and it works for them

I don't know first hand a single straight couple who does this, I'm sure I do, but they at least aren't public about it

it came with massive disappointment as an impressionable rickroll in his yut as he searched out adventure to learn that such things as dark rooms and glory holes truly do exist, but you'll never find a woman involved in either

but none of this takes away that the real factor wasn't the amount of partners but rather than anal sex is where the overwhelming majority of transmissions via sexual contact take place - in fact, nearly all the cases of HIV being spread through porn was through anal speciality film sets as well

to delink HIV to homosexuality is just not good science and it does genuine harm
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01-24-2023 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Please take this homophobic fearmongering to some other forum.
This!!!
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Yesterday , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
guys let's chill on the ban talk for a poster simply expressing a common view held by millions

it's ironic how most of the "this place isn't what it to be" posts were largely steered about overmodding where dissenting voices were silenced and banned

and yet now the problem you guys have is people like washoe having a dissenting viewpoint

if we want an echo chamber then it's better to just cut out the middle man and have a circle jerk - in which case we should ban washoe because he'd certainly object to that



you may not like or disagree his views, but it's important to be represented here because it's not a fringe belief by any means

also, while homosexuals have used HIV used as a cultural weapon against them, which is an incredible shame and it's very sad how little attention it got in the early days when it was in a more controllable setting, but you're not doing any favors to anyone by pretending that the disease impacts gays and straights equally - that's a bit too much of a reversal from backing off the bigotry attached to aids policy to pretending that it has no special correlation to homosexuality

take lagtight for instance, i did not get along with him at all, he said a lot of terrible things, he even had many insults thrown directly towards me, his favorite response was to call me a pervert when I'd challenge him on his belief that gays were bad/evil and god frowned upon them - yet i find it regrettable he was banned because he represented a very common belief system that typically only engages with like minded groups behind closed doors and it was interesting to see his perspective and debate him on it
That is NOT why Lagtight called you a pervert. If Browser allows me to, I can site the post in RGT in which Lagtight called you a pervert. It had nothing to do with your opinions about homosexuality.
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Yesterday , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
There is a difference between allowing dissenting political positions and allowing attacks on minority groups. There is no political component to saying you find pictures of naked men disgusting and offensive. It is not appropriate to claim that gay men aa a group are about to unleash a huge threat on society and they need to be monitored and controlled. It is fear mongering.

We don't allow posters to come on here and state that you need to hide the white women from a black man because they cant control themselves. Or say the world's woes are all the fault of the Jews. It doesn't matter how many people may believe that. It's an attack on an entire group of people not simply a difference of opinion.

Debating political opinions is welcome. Simply denigrating a category of people is not a purpose of this forum.
Well said.

This post should be a STICKY* imo.

*No innuendo jokes please.
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Yesterday , 12:28 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnis...n-power-women/

I'm going to try to get this thread back on track. Here is a TERF article I read earlier that argues that some misogynists just use trans activism as a way to mask their misogynism (amongst other things). I thought it was an ok read.
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Yesterday , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll

to delink HIV to homosexuality is just not good science and it does genuine harm
The vast majority of hiv carriers are straight. It actually does harm to straight people to think of it as a gay only disease because it can affect them. In America the association between hiv and gays begins with victim blaming and ends with most lgbt people living in urban areas due to discrimination that overlapped with a wave in the 80's in those same urban areas which resulted in more victim blaming.
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Yesterday , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
The vast majority of hiv carriers are straight. It actually does harm to straight people to think of it as a gay only disease because it can affect them. In America the association between hiv and gays begins with victim blaming and ends with most lgbt people living in urban areas due to discrimination that overlapped with a wave in the 80's in those same urban areas which resulted in more victim blaming.
I agree with you on all your thoughts here, but is the bolded really true in the US? I'm sure it is worldwide because so many are straight people in Africa.
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Yesterday , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I agree with you on all your thoughts here, but is the bolded really true in the US? I'm sure it is worldwide because so many are straight people in Africa.
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overv...nic-minorities

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Certain subpopulations within racial and ethnic minority groups are disproportionately affected as well. For example, gay, bisexual and other men who have sex with men (MSM) are by far the most affected group in the United States. They account for about 66% of new infections each year, even though they make up only 2% of the population, with the highest burden among Black and Latino gay and bisexual men. According to CDC, in 2019, 26% of new HIV infections were among Black gay and bisexual men, 23% among Latino gay and bisexual men, and 45% among gay and bisexual men under the age of 35.
there's also been studies that seem to believe that since homosexuality is so frowned upon in Africa and in fact illegal in many of the countries that a big chunk of the men with aids in Africa are not actually straight as they claim

ugh, I got aids and I'm also going to jail now? can't imagine many would volunteer that info willingly
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Yesterday , 04:14 AM
and speak of the devil this came up in my youtube feed

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Yesterday , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by shortstacker
Stopped reading after the bolded.
Is there another organization that most US hospitals report their disease statistics to that you use for your reference information instead of the CDC? Or do you believe medical statistics are simply unknowable?
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Yesterday , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by shortstacker
That is NOT why Lagtight called you a pervert. If Browser allows me to, I can site the post in RGT in which Lagtight called you a pervert. It had nothing to do with your opinions about homosexuality.
No, we'll leave that for the other forum. I'm going to delete the other references to this past incident. .
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Yesterday , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Is there another organization that most US hospitals report their disease statistics to that you use for your reference information instead of the CDC? Or do you believe medical statistics are simply unknowable?
Probably unknowable. And if it is knowable, the CDC would only tell us what it wants us to know. Or literally just make things up.

In my opinion, trusting any government agencies reports about anything is extremely naive.
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Yesterday , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
yeah this is what i was talking about how first the gay community got wrongfully victimized regarding aids to the point where straight people who had the disease kept it secret because they were worried everyone would say it's because they are gay

but it's absolutely objective truth that homosexuals on average have more partners and are generally of a casual nature

there's been many studies on this and anecdotally it checks out as I know a number of the married gay couples I know still mix it up with introducing outsiders or going out solo - they are "sneaking about" as it's all sanctioned and what they agreed to do and it works for them

I don't know first hand a single straight couple who does this, I'm sure I do, but they at least aren't public about it

it came with massive disappointment as an impressionable rickroll in his yut as he searched out adventure to learn that such things as dark rooms and glory holes truly do exist, but you'll never find a woman involved in either

but none of this takes away that the real factor wasn't the amount of partners but rather than anal sex is where the overwhelming majority of transmissions via sexual contact take place - in fact, nearly all the cases of HIV being spread through porn was through anal speciality film sets as well

to delink HIV to homosexuality is just not good science and it does genuine harm
Straight men and women have been engaging in "open marriages" forever. They are called swingers and there is an entire community set up with swingers clubs and neighborhood get togethers. While obviously not the behavior of the majority, it is far from being a rare occurrence in the straight community.

I just don't really know what to say about the idea that you will never find a woman involved in glory holes. That's just incorrect. Glory holes with women on the "servicing side" are common.

Anal sex is without a doubt a major transmission factor for HIV which is why the gay men community has the greatest share of cases. But it's not homosexuality per se that is linked to HIV transmission,it's the anal sex act. Just as the sexual orientation of an intravenous drug user sharing needles isnt a factor in the transmission of HIV, it's the injections. So HIV transmission is an important health concern for the gay male community but that should not generate fear of gay people in general in the public at large.
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Yesterday , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Most straight men would love to have a much larger number of partners, but most women are not interested in anonymous sex.
Most straight men would like to have more sexual partners, ok.
This is part of what I was implying in my posts that it's very hard to understand gender identity or lgbt sexualities if you don't even bother to understand women's sexuality at all, the supposed objects of your desire.
Many men, before you get to "disapprove" or the "secretly find it gross", the underlying problem is that they don't respect any sexuality that is not their exact own, and that category is not just lgbt but also womens. valid sexuality revolves entirely around the pleasure and sense of accomplishment you get from your dick into a vagina. They've thought a lot about those ten minutes but haven't thought about women's sexual needs at all, let alone lgbt sexual needs.

The truth is there are a lot of women who aren't having their sexual needs met and a lot of guys uninterested in learning because those frustrations aren't considered a problem. It's only seen as a societal problem if straight men aren't having their sexual needs fulfilled.

So i'm sorry you feel like you don't have enough sexual partners, maybe spend 5 minutes thinking about peoples sexual needs other than your own.
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