So that whole native Americans being more susceptible to alcoholism is BS? I have no idea, was touted decades ago but could have been debunked by now.
So you think trans people are mainly a product of their environment? I have to guess cross dressing has been going on for ages. Doesn't really matter, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm sure there have been people since how long there have been people that had wished they could be in a different body and doubt there's going to be anything that you can cite that would change my mind and it's really not even a big issue to me but still guess your opinion is going to be on the wrong side of history.
As for treatment of kids we never touched on that and I can't say I'm a proponent of handing out puberty blockers like candy but haven't really pondered it too much.

Do you have any idea how many heterosexual people kill their kids? You've found literally one lesbian couple that killed their kids and are trying to make them all out to be murderers. Your logic is seriously flawed.

wtf are you talking about dude? So children are better off in orphanages than going to two people that desperately want a child and have the means to care for that child?
Also last time I checked which was 10+ years ago, the rate of children that turned out to be gay when raised in a gay household was about the same as kids raised in straight households.

I don't know if native Americans are more susceptible to alcoholism or not. I assume based on what I've been told that there is genetics involved there.

Yes I think trans people are mainly a product of their environment. Not all cross-dressers are trans, and not all autogynephiles are trans.

It could be that I'm on the wrong side of history but I would trade that for being on the correct side of reason.

They are not more susceptable, at least not genetically, or biologically.
They are made to be becuase they were thrown into ghettos and they and their culture got destroyed and exploited. Thats common knowledge imo at least it should be.

I wouldn't classify native American reservations as ghettos. I've been on some.

One of my hobbies is picking up native hitchhikers driving through northeastern Arizona if I'm going to or from Colorado. They're almost always interesting and I've been shown around the area and taken to cool places that have petroglyphs. One guy though I recall had been passed out drunk from the night before off the road, another one was out partying with his family by the river that I had been camping by, passed out drunk and his family just left him there.

My sense is though is that they drink-- at least the ones in that area in Navajo country-- drink because while northeastern Arizona can be beautiful, it's also sort of a barren wasteland and there is nothing else to do.

Is there a list somewhere I can consult?

Actually there is: https://gayswithkids.com/famous-gay-...nd-their-kids/

I was a bit off there and not aware it was that many and well known people uncluding:

Anderson Cooper
Clay Aiken
Ricky Martin
Elton John

Hey I was raised Christian Reformed and was very homophobic as I was taught that way in School, Church and Catechism . It really did not dawn on me till my late 30's as I was surrounded by more gay and lesbian folks that they were nice people and why should I care . As life has progressed I have met many great gay and lesbian couples that have kids and they seem to be great parents.

I would challenge your thought that there is more child abuse in a straight home than a gay or lesbian home and I suspect a child may do better in those homes of course I have no data to back that up with

Here's a thought - maybe make sure you have even the slightest ****ing clue what you're talking about before going off on a homohobic tangent?

This is why, washoe. Obviously.

Ah cool, so now in the Trans thread we're putting on throwback uniforms and smearing gay couples.

If it came off as homophobic, I apologize.

I really don't understand you, washoe. You deliberately insinuated that gay couples who adopt children are more likely to abuse (or even kill) children than straight couples. You had absolutely no basis for the inference you were asking us to draw. Then you apologize as if you inadvertently stepped in dogshit and tracked it into someone's living room.

But you didn't inadvertently step in anything. You knowingly asked us to draw a negative inference about gay parents. You should at least have the guts to own your own prejudice.

What don't you get? He's a prolific troll

As much as I disagree with him as well I find the best solution is to educate and treat with respect. 20 years ago I felt the same way.

If he has no interaction with a gay or lesbian couple in the community how can he judge.

I do think calling him a troll violates our new rules as well

"Playing dumb" trolls are a thing, I guess, but I have a hard time believing that's what this is. If the washoe persona is a schtick, then the owner of the account has an inhuman level of commitment.

Maybe he could just use common sense. I don't have to travel in time back to Salem in order to assess whether anyone who lived in the town in 1692 was actually a witch.

Yet we do not have far to go back were a Aftrican American President did not believe in Gay Marriage let alone adoption and we still allow a schools and churches to teach that homosexuality is a sin while their priests diddle little boys

Therefore . . . .?

Its believable that there are still many folks out there like Washoe that still have this opinion . Im not saying their right

You can call people child mutilators and imply they’re pedophiles out to harm children. I imagine troll is allowed.

How is it different? And there are plenty of people who have killed their kids more recently than 2016.