The biggest problem with allowing trans athletes to compete in women's sports is that it allows privileged whites the ability to be competitive in sports they have no business being competitive in.

I assume he was not being serious.

where almost 100% of the athletes need to have additional part time jobs, while getting barely any recognition for their play..

Your solution is probably preferable to a separation based on gender, but I don't see this as a perfect solution. If a person was born as a biological female but is transgender and begins hormone treatments, etc., I imagine that would be a big advantage in strength based sports.

And the transgender athlete who is taking estrogen, etc., will have no chance to be competitive at the highest levels with other people who were born as biological males.

I don't think that there is any easy solution here for sports at the highest level.

Oh so that's why Ronda Rousey had to sign with the WWE. Also not every female athlete is fortunate enough to be married to a rich male athlete like Travis Browne, amirite?

Unironically, this could have the impact of greatly reducing or even destroying what was an increasing number of spots for all women to compete in professional sports that pay to play.

And more so it could greatly diminish the ability of CIS women getting athletic scholarships if they get out competed at the high school level, the vast majority of which do not lead to pro sports careers but do help the women establish themselves in high paying careers as they take advantage of the education.

because ronda rousey is clearly an example of the regular female athlete and not the top 1%....

Minorities lay claim to 3 of the 4 women's belts in the UFC (0 American born) and it's obvious that some want that to change, so they support privileged white males changing gender to potentially making millions. Gender fluid is the new great white hope.

I get what you are saying but a tiny male has a big strength disadvantage to a larger male. Equity does not require those differences be fixed.

I think that trans male, however should also be allowed to apply under the exemptions to see if they could still compete as a female if they wanted similar to how their are TUE exemptions that are assessed case by case.

But in the end I do not thing we have a 'right to sport' so if you do hormones and sex re-assignment to become a transmale and you now are a transmale but you are physically weaker (less athletic) than other transmales I don't think sport owes you any accommodation to level that playing field so you can compete.

And I don't see that as mean or dismissive. There are all sorts of 'differences' with the 'male' category that make one unable to make up the difference to compete and that is OK.

i know you're only here to talk about UFC. but where are the millions for female athletes that you think these schrodinger's trans athletes would take?..

the highest paid female UFC fighter (nunez) had a total earnings of 540k in 2020. and she's the only one above 270k.


also healthcare should be free.

Has this ever actually happened, though?

That's fake news. That's only disclosed salary. Top UFC fighters like Nunes make the bulk of their pay from ppv points which aren't disclosed.

Not yet but the powers that be will do whatever they can to hurt minorities economically. See the MLB all star game as an example.

no. we had this discussion earlier.. the UFC crowd is scared of the schrodinger's transathlete. the one that they insist is coming and is dangerous to their sport, but also simultaneously saying they would get destroyed by REAL ufc fighters.. a typical example is Fallon Fox, who is used by this crowd for both purposes.

I agree that there is no right to sport. There are massive biological differences among humans that have always made it impossible for a lot of people to play sports at a high level.

I'm scared of the unathletic privileged white "athlete" dominating women's MMA, a sport I quite enjoy.

I agree with Trolly. I'm skeptical that white parents in the U.S. are pushing transgender politics in the hopes that their children who were born biologically male will become stars in women's sports.

In large numbers? Maybe not. But the insanity has only just begun.

How to Raise a Gender-Neutral Baby

Nothing about this article suggests that parents are motivated by a desire to see their transgender children dominate women's sports.

I was thinking mostly of those that would benefit the most from white athletes rising to the top: ie the athletes themselves, the promoters, owners, ESPN, etc. Amanda Nunes makes a very nice living but her drawing power is capped relative to someone like Ronda Rousey simply because she is not a white American.

But yeah, definitely could see the crazy white sports fan parent pushing a child to change genders. I think even the craziest of white parents realize their son can never be the next Lebron James. But becoming the next Ronda Rousey is athletically not an impossibility. I can even envision what the white father would say when his daughter wins the belt:

No, dominating women's sports will just be a side effect of some of those kids being good at sports and taking advantage of a system where rules and competitive spirit no longer matter.

Is there any consideration given to the biological female who transitions to become male and thus loses their ability to compete in and possibly dominate a field comprised of women with a lower compliment of male hormones? Because it seems to me it goes both ways.

Or are we just assuming that these trans people are just seeking every advantage they can get in the new woke world?

Agreed.

However I do think it is very natural for people to trend to activities they feel they are are good, especially when compared to their peers.

I think we see that already, despite Transwomen representing a tiny percent of the populace I would bet their sporting results, are quite disproportionate towards the success side.

Transfemale cyclist, sprinters, MMA'ist all at or near the top of the sport, even though few have ever tried contending.

In CIS sport, you need something like a million males to try before one is good enough to reach the top levels of the sports.

With Transfemales, it seems it may be closer to 1:1.

And in both instances I am adjusting for people who self select to try and make in sport.


And again i do think the enticement of scholarships to University will be significant if it is seen as an easy path to get a free education.

A transmale (bio-woman) should be able to compete in the bio-woman division, unless she breeches PED rules and cannot get a TUE but also should be free to compete in the BioMale division (Open Division).

You are not being "disadvantaged" if you are weaker or smaller and cannot cut in competing in the Men's division at the higher levels of sport. If that was the case the vast majority of bio men are as well then as they cannot compete outside recreational sport.

The bigger more inclusive group are the ones that are not the top levels of any sport.

Yes that's what I'm saying. Make it about skill/mentality rather than about how tall you are.

It's more speculative on my part then a cunning plan. Although way ahead of the name calling plan imo