I suspect that if the NBA ran into someone who was 12 feet tall and somehow still mobile enough to run back and forth down the court, there may be some changes to the league.


Muggsy Bogues says, 'yes'.

There are no 'simple and obvious' solutions to literally any issue. All issues of human society have incredible nuances and this is just another example.

No. Nothing I said is about hate and fear and it is a very fair solution to this.

There is also evidence this will continue to grow as it is currently growing. There are more trans women today then last year and so on. So you are wrong there too. There is IN FACT no evidence this won't CONTINUE to grow and be a challenge.

Also I can admit I do not know the athletes by their pictures and if I included in a picture of someone who does not belong properly here that is a mistake. Mistakes are not hate.

Your view will certainly result in hate, as more and more trans women enter sport. We can see it. We can bank on it. You take the view of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying 'no, it should not' as if that means 'no it won't'. And it WILL. Bank on it.

Or we can fix this now.

What I suggested in defining sports by biological sex has no elements of hate or discrimination in it and takes this issue off the table.

No one, and i mean NO ONE can give a single reason why it would wrong to define sport by biological sex. No one can say it is not fully inclusive and fair.

ANd ye 'hate' will be yelled by those who simply think any attempt to address this is wrong.

"Trans-athletes are destroying women sports" Roe Rogan says "that's bullshit" to transgenders being able to compete in the last seconds of this video. I agree. Imagine your are a pro athlete woman and you have to earn money through sports. A man just has too much advantages in muscle mass and bone structure, that he has an unfair edge should he chose to transform. And i don't want to discriminate anyone, but this is just not fair.

Are they allowed to compete with a penis or do they have to be operated on first?

and then you get stuff like this shitpost. where the athlete in that video title shot doesn't want to compete with biological girls and identifies as male, and the Texas legislature forces him to wrestle in the girls division..

eta- im not watching the Russian propaganda tv youtubez, so my apologies if my assumption is incorrect, however i'm betting it's not.

"no one, and i mean no one can give a single reason why it would wrong to define sport as" (gender identified with).

the next sentence is not true, because it's obviously not inclusive.

i will throw the transphobes one bone though.

the actual simple obvious empathy free solution is separating divisions of sport by multiple divisions(i.e. more than 2) of hormone levels rather than sex. but that's really drilling down passed the "these athletes are actual people" level

Sports should know no gender. Henry Cejudo vs Valentina Shevchenko, Henry Cejudo vs Amanda Nunes. Henry Cejudo vs Weili Zhang. Dana, make it happen!

The worst part of this discussion might be having to agree with Slighted.
I'm not positive it's happening here, and I don't know if it's ever happened before. But he's like "making points".
Definitely when posters from out of the blue are showing up posting about UFC, Slighted's takes start looking better and better.
(I should add that I do appreciate the "burn it all down" impulse)

i enjoy the feinting couches being employed by the "i'm ACKSHUALLY concerned about the safety of the women in the ridiculously barbaric and unhealthy sport i support."

The first rules required a trans woman wanting to compete in woman's sport to have actually transitioned. Meaning hormones and surgery.

They backed off that with pressure and the rule became that they at least had to be in the process of transitioning. Hormones if not yet surgery.

They backed off that with pressure.

And now a person who identifies as Male today at 2pm can run a race against other males, and that same person, with no surgery or hormones can say they identify as a woman 2 hours later and race against other women.

Later that day they can identify again as a male and go back to that life.

Thus why I say identifying sport by biological sex allows for all of the above but takes the confusion out of sport competition.

Make an argument how using gender is more inclusive than using biological sex?

Don't get too excited Mr. SJW Esq.

Your suggestion to create a bunch of new divisions based on hormone levels still just leaves men picking on the women, and FTM transitioners with no home at all.

Why do you hate women?

I repeat.

There is no reasonable argument anyone can give against sports being defined by biological sex.

No trans person is excluded or put at a disadvantage as compared to any other person. Discrimination is ended.

Which cuck sports are we supposed to support?

Never again should a trans fighter be subjected to the embarrassment of getting beat up by a chick!

im not sure we are both using the same definition of the word "inclusive"....

no it wouldn't leave anyone without a home, it would most likely put them in a division with high hormone biological women, and low hormone biological men. the plan isn't one i prefer or necessarily support, it's just the "simple obvious solution" as requested by the OP if we are truly concerned about hormone production.

wat.

you can support whatever you want. i like UFC as well, i just don't also try and pretend that i give a **** about those athletes health or safety while i'm doing it.

The reasonable argument is that women jacked up on FTM hormones will destroy the natural women. The intended participants in these sports are absolutely at a disadvantage to their new trans overlords.

The men who are on drugs to block their own naturally occurring hormones are going to get destroyed by the natural men. Even though they aren't being outright excluded, they may as well be.

Interestingly, your proposed solution makes it so that only people who identify as men are allowed to succeed in sports. Does this mean you also hate women?

Put another way then. Who is 'excluded by using biological sex?




Use your words. If you disagree make the argument.

If you think this is untrue/inaccurate explain why...

"There is no reasonable argument anyone can give against sports being defined by biological sex.

No trans person is excluded or put at a disadvantage as compared to any other person. Discrimination is ended."

now i'm sad i took out an earlier part of a comment i made to luckbox about this, because i wanted to address this earlier along with the feinting couches jab.


for most ufc fans its always the case of the "schrodinger's transathlete" the athlete that will destroy all women fighters and ruin the "integrity" of the sport but also simultaneously lose to all "real" female ufc fighters like fallon fox did.

people that identify as a different gender are excluded from participating against that gender. no one is "excluded" in separating sports by gender, people are "included" by that.

What?

I am truly lost on what you are saying here.

I am not suggesting they cannot maintain rules against Steroids and doping.

How does separating sport by biological sex where people with XX and people with XY compete against one another raise the issues you suggest.

If I am missing something please elaborate as I honestly do not see any issue with this.

Those idiots are just trying to ruin the sport just as they ruined other sports like football. The UFC has in some ways already gone too far. Knees to grounded opponents should be legal as should soccer kicks. Chute Boxe ftw!

Gender based right to sports competition is not a thing.

Decisions have to be made and using 'age' and 'biological sex' are inherently fair to all.

You can say 'oh I would like to compete by gender though' and that is fine but there is no right to compete how you want simply because you want it.

Again how is a trans person disadvantaged when competing by biological sex?

What deficit do they face that others in that category do not?