I am assuming the below is a reply to me but can't tell for sure?? But will respond as if it is.
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Well, you are being invasive
Competitive sports require invasiveness. Age, Drug use, Outside cheat factors.
I don't believe you can even have competitive sport without it.
What would be the option? The honor system??
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and a lot of your arguments in favour of said invasion is based on presuming ill motivations in the contestants.
Again as I am not sure if this is directed at me, I will mute my reply.
I do not 'presume' ill motivation at all. My position is not based on an idea of 'cheating' at all.
I want a system where it is defined in a way that no one would be cheating.
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Which even though it might happen, is probably going to be a small sample overall. A bit like stopping and searching all cars in a neighbourhood, because someone think they saw someone from there commit a burglary elsewhere in town.
We are both speculating but based on the history of this planet, I see no reason that certain countries would not take full legal advantage of this in Olympic level sports.
I also think there is no reason to try and make estimates today about how much of an issue this would be in the West in all levels of sport (high school, etc) as we see even with a tiny number of crossovers the percent that achieve the highest levels of that sport are enormous.
Generally speaking you need millions of participants to filter to get to one who can compete on a world stage. With Transwomen, we often get one cross over and instantly that person can be in the top tier of that activity.
Anytime you have such a disproportionately high achievement level it suggests the playing field is being distorted in some way.
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Your logic is simple, but that doesn't mean the question is simple or that your answer will actually be simple to carry out.
We can agree to disagree but I would challenge you to explain what is not simple to carry out?
If Sports org simply said 'In a continuation of our efforts to promote fairness and a level playing field, all sport participation will be based on biological sex'.
There, that is the rule.
Now might some people say 'that is not fair, we think separation by biological sex is an unfair playing field, or other...'? Sure. But can they make a logical case to overturn that criteria as 'fair' by offering something else they can show is more fair? No.
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There is a a case that resembles what you want, it doesn't involve a trans athlete, but an intersex athlete, Caster Semenya. Whatever one's view on her competing is, one thing is for sure: The amount of tests, rule-changes, ridicule, harassment, press coverage and demeaning medical attention (complete with media leaks) she had to go through was pretty insane. There are genocidal war criminals who have been treated far more gently.
Agreed.
There always need to be an 'exceptions' committee and they need to be empowered to act decisively.
There is no way around challenges such as Semenya imposed on the system IMO and that has nothing to do with today's trans debate. Certain situations will always be challenging.
The Trans debate just does not need to be one of them, if they just define sport correctly based on competition by biological sex.