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Originally Posted by uke_master
I don't think a single person ITT has ever suggested that cis males in top level sport don't have a significant advantage over cis females? Why are you posting the above?
Because the argument you hear to date, including one on Michael Smerconish show this week in his interview with trans activist Veronica Ivy, who herself, after transition became a top medaling cyclists is that the transwomen DO NOT have an advantage and that is proven via them not dominating sports broadly and just having some isolated successes here and there. She made the case citing all sorts of transwomen in sport who are just having middling results.
That is a false argument. No one is saying a transition is an automatic win and if the least athletic male transitions she will then beat the most athletic females.
The issue is that the tiny percent of the populace thus far who have transitioned, have A) not been composed of any real prior male athletes who had any success or relevance in their sport, or B) if they did it was decades earlier and they are far outside their prime.
If someone like Hubbard, who was a relevant male athlete back in her pre transition prime had instead grown up today and transitioned in her prime, as she indicates now she would have, she would have destroyed Womens' power lifting in terms of anyone cis being even close to being able to compete. She would have set world record only now touched today with a Chinese phenom lifter only now surpassing that. And if any other top male lifter had transitioned in those 20 years, that record would have been pushed out and up such that the Chinese phenom would not even be close.
If Kaitlin Jenner had transitioned in her prior male athletic prime as Olympic gold medalist it is likely no cis women ever would get a result even close to approaching what she accomplished back then as a male. If a relevant and high level competitive male MMA fighter (or worse a boxer) transitions we WILL see many women's deaths in the cage until they are stopped. You can bet on that, unless they hold back.
So arguing that 'the women who have transitioned today have not had enough success to prove their is any advantage' is asinine given what we have seen with so a small pool of trans women who have switched over the overwhelmingly disproportionate amount of success they have had at the top ranks despite not even being very good athletes in their prior male lives.
Veronica Ivy has stated there is no advantage and cis women need to just stop complaining and focus on getting better and if that becomes the prevailing attitude as a Hubbard or a Jenner transitions in their prime that will be soul crushing for cis women who will understand they do not have the biology to simply 'get better' to compete and are now excluded from that top rank of their sport.
And we WILL see more and more, relevant and competitive medal level males transition in their primes like this story...
...and the rightful resentment and outrage it will create on behalf of cis women.
Many on the left want to cover their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears pretending they cannot foresee this problem as it even arrives now. Just ignore it until it really is an issue of some consequence. Pretend these are open questions and not yet certain to maintain the status quo of just letting them compete.
Nonsense. The deeper you let it go, the more you hurt both the cis woman athlete and the trans woman athlete. Letting some win medals now only to define it later as unfair will almost certainly have consequences for the transwomen many will then say they won by 'cheating' when the rules later exclude them from that same event.