Master says this is illegal and agrees with it, they say it is fraud.

If I had identified with trans prior to the act, it would no longer be fraud in their eyes.

Also only trans people are immune to this fraud.

Master you're a genius!

Ahhhh, I see what OAFK was talking about. You're a ****ing liar who cannot argue on actual points. Everything will be this weird distillation of lies and half-truths. I probably should have read your batshit discussion with him prior to having one of my own. Unlike him though, I know when to bow out against someone who literally can't have a convo without lying. Have fun.

Are you talking to yourelf? You were the one who presented the logic fail. Since it literally debunks all your bullshit and shows the inconsistency in your logic, you will now run and hide.

Funnily enough it also is a reason to legislate, so people can't claim they are trans when they are not to get away with doing this.

Only fraud if you are not trans! Wheeeeee

What your post actually means is you have been scouring all my previous posts hoping to find something I said that was ACTUALLY transphobic, you didn't find any, realize you have lost all intellectual credibility by presenting one of the biggest logic fails I've ever seen, now you are going to disappear. Good riddance!

Imagine having the time to look up all my posts in a conversation you were not even in, but not having the time to clarify after you said 2+2=Baboon.

The best part, by Trolly's demanded definition, he's really just saying

"YOU LIKE WOMEN!"

so maybe he's not transphobic, perhaps he's sexist. He thinks telling me I like women is an ultimate insult

In the UK, the situation you outline would be 'sex by deception', which is criminal. Transactivist organisation Stonewall is attempting to have it decriminalised on grounds of 'gender identity'. That is, they are literally attempting to legalise the rape of lesbian women by paraphiliac men. Transactivism is a profoundly misogynistic (and homophobic) movement.

Still in doubt laggy?

that below is exactly the intended insult. It is saying to the street preacher 'haha, i know you are really a self hating gay'.

BTW I often agree with using that as an insult against the loud vocal religious types as I think a huge percent of the more vocal haters are self loathing gay or other. They hate that part of their own identity and fear others can maybe see it in them and thus want to project the opposite.

We've seen it prove out that way to often to not think it is way more prevalent so I am not hating on Trolly for saying it. Just pointing out to you, that is what he is doing.

I feel like I touched a raw nerve here.

Yes it's deceptive and if it's with someone that states they wouldn't be with a transgender person and the transgender person knows that, then it's particularly douchey behaviour, just like it was in Israel or would be in Oaf's married straight guy scenario.

That said- hate crimes against trans people exist including murder.
There was that case in Colorado in the 2000s where the transgender woman was deceptive but was murdered by being beaten to death with a fire extinguisher when her deception was found out
http://archive.boston.com/news/natio...out_deception/

So there are very valid reasons for trans people to be wary of revealing their status and it's not as black and white as you may think. And I'm not justifying deception either. Most decent trans people would move on if they knew someone they may be attracted to wouldn't want to be with a trans person. But they shouldn't face the danger of murder either, even deceptive ones .
So basically it's a complex issue.

Gay men fetishisize having sex with straight men and some will try to make it happen, if they feel they may have an opening.
Straight men fetishizize having sex with lesbian women and similarly will try to make it happen if they feel they have an opening.

No one should be shocked that trans women attracted to men, would not only be attracted to trans men and would be attracted to regular hetero cis men and a big portion of hetero cis men are also the most likely to be out and drinking and acting with out thinking too much, not just for sex, but for everything. Sorry cis men are the dumbest and most reckless of any group, arguably. But in that same dumb, reckless group you will always find typically the most bigoted and violent types. That is what would make it very dangerous for a trans women to accept any positive response back from a guy without making sure she found a way to disclose that she was trans.

As I said, when I was seperated and not divorced, I would get that in as soon as I felt a conversation was turning to flirting as I thought it was the ethical thing to do. I was not wearing a wedding ring, and i know a large percent of women do not want to start anything with a guy who is not yet divorced, so I would slip it out in the conversation to avoid any drama after the fact. And this was despite me knowing for certain I was getting divorced so to me it was a non issue. But I accepted for many women it could be and so I acted accordingly.

Just so I don't lose track, since I don't really keep up with the details:

A "trans woman" is a man dressed up as a woman?
Or is a "trans woman" a woman dressed as a man?

I lost track some time ago.

Looking forward to the sticky that will allow us to stay up-to-date on the latest LGBTQXYZ123!@#+ terminology.