For bathrooms I don't see why they don't make unisex single occupancy bathrooms in most places. Seems the easiest and obvious thing to do.

Sure. But also, just letting trans people go into the bathroom they feel safest and most comfortable in is a fine solution too, we don’t need to be doing endlessly renos.

That is not a comfortable solution for everyone. I think the single occupancy unisex bathrooms is the best solution.

We don't get to choose what language is standard and what isn't. In the year since you were informed that "BioWomen" is wrong, have you or any of your buddies ITT seen a single trans person use that expression?

Sometimes words are just standard and when you don't know them it shows you don't know much of anything about the field. It would be like someone who didn't know what a demand curve was trying to speak about economics.

Sorry, but I care quite a bit less that transphobes find the existence of trans people uncomfortable to them. Trans women are women. They should be able to go into women's bathrooms.

You are welcome to your opinion, but there is a very large percentage of people that disagree with your opinion. Therefore, the logical choice would be to have unisex single occupancy bathrooms. That would appease everyone. It's called compromise.

I'm sorry, I'm not willing to "compromise" with people who are afraid of a trans person being near them in the bathroom. I'm not willing to spend however many billions it would take to renovate washrooms all around the world from their current design to something new just to appease these people. There are places where I am willing to compromise, but this isn't one of them.

You are factually wrong as always.

Cisgender came about for just that reason. Cis came about for just that reason.

Google and learn what a neologism is and then look at all the words that evolved due to people exactly 'picking and choosing what language was going to be the standard'.

It is the most natural evolutions for people to short form words like cisgender to cis, and if a busy body like uke is around at that point you can scold them not to shorten it to 'cis' because 'cisgender' is the proper term and people can rightly tell you to **** off.

You, uke are the worst kind of busy body Karen. Always looking to tone police, woke scold and language police everyone around you in an attempt to impose your preferences and opinions on others.

Just as some casual use of 'cis' flowed, as they always do from people shortening a word like cisgender so too can biowomen be a short form for biological woman.

You retort 'but i like and accept the first but not the second one' and in you world view you should get your way and that should be all that matters. But i rightly say '**** off you busy body Karen. You use the words you want to contract and i will use mine'.

One room for women, one for biowomen, one for men, and one for biomen. The plumbing industry will be booming.

So that is a big NOPE you couldn't find a single person in the year since we informed you "BioWomen" was wrong that uses that term?

You can make up whatever terms you like, it just makes you look completely ignorant of the basic accepted terminology. It would be like using "demand curve" to refer to something other than a graph of price and quantity. Sure, go ahead, but you can't be surprised when nobody takes you seriously on economics any more.

Compromise is huge anywhere where real decisions need to be made, so it's a good thing that you're not in a position of power. Thank God.

uke does not believe in compromise. There is his opinion and when it makes sense to him, he cannot get over that everyone will not just fall in line.

This issue is very time and place for me as are changerooms. In bigger or more progressive cities, no issue. We already see it with a large sink or washing area that is shared by all, and a wall of individual enclosed stalls for people to use of any gender or age. I think that is a great solution generally and actually saves the facility space, allowing them to provide more stalls.

BUt in more rural or backwoods areas, if you care about the safety of others, a more gradual approach, or introduction is needed. Again some forms of individual stalls but maybe outside a common bathroom type setting. Just a wall of stalls and doors and a separate area of sinks.

uke and the far left live for the fights. To see 'bad people' outed so they can point at them. The victims that result are not so much his concern, plus that allows for more finger pointing.

Absolutely. Sometimes compromise is important. Other times it is important to push for what is morally correct. Perhaps most important of all is to know how to tell the difference.

I'll give a similar example from last decade in the marriage equality wars where opponents would suggest a compromise that gay people could get a "civil union" but not a "marriage". This is problematic for many reasons, and ultimately standing up for the correct choice has largely one out.

You confused my position. I said we do NOT need to remodel bathrooms in these backwoods places with high degrees of transphobia. Instead, the law of the land should be trans people can choose to go into those bathrooms. They might not feel safe. Heck, they might not feel less safe in a male bathroom. But regardless, it is up to THEM not you - never you - nor the GOP to decide that for them.

I assume it would be prohibitively expensive to change a bathroom with a single entry point that can accommodate twenty people (think a bathroom at a casino) and change that into twenty separate rooms with doors and individual facilities for each room.

Should most places maybe include one or two unisex single occupancy bathroom for those who want to use it? Totally, but trying to change that on a wide scale in places like airports, arenas, concert venues, casinos, or any place that regularly hosts large crowds seems near impossible.

The problem is not what you do or do not think of as morally correct. The problem is that the majority of the country (or at least close to half of it) disagree with you. When there is that large of a difference of opinion on something, a compromise needs to be made. You're not simply just going to get your way when that large of a percentage don't agree with your line of thinking.

Compromise. It's important.

A lovely speech. But what does it mean in practice? Most of the bathroom bills proposed by GOP legislatures are up/down votes to ban trans people from bathrooms. I think people should vote that they are allowed. Which way do you vote?

If there is some way third way option, I think you need to spell it out. Perhaps a bill that targets a billion dollars a year to renovations in local business to make single-sex stalled bathrooms? This seems like an incrediable waste of money compared to just doing the right thing, but you did give a great speech about compromise so maybe that is what you mean?

How much should we dedicate to spend in order to appease the majority when not appeasing the majority would cost literally $0?

this is an absolute nightmare, you can't just convert a small office into a bathroom because you'll need to bring in all the piping etc

so for most places already in existence, it's a non starter of 50k+ renovation to add a single bathroom

for larger places also doesn't make much sense since it's inefficient traffic flow

it could work decently for new construction on small occupancy locations but otherwise this is a good intended idea just not practical enough to work and would ultimately just be a huge cost to everyone

You know what also would not cost a thing? Having anyone born with a penis use the men's bathroom and anyone born with a vagina use the women's bathroom. But you're not trying to hear that, now are you? Hence the compromise.

Ok. So how many dollars do you think should be spent to support your "compromise" that converts all public bathrooms to single stall bathrooms? Can you think of any other better uses of that money so that maybe you could "compromise" and get something better?

We waste millions (possibly billions) on tons of things. Just pay attention to what Congress passes. It's not hard. Redirect that to this bathroom project. Or don't and go with my suggestion which is what people have been doing since the beginning of mankind.

I suppose we could. However - and stay with me here for a moment - what if instead of wasting billions to appease a bunch of transphobes, what if instead we did what is common in many jurisdictions and doesn't seem to have any significant problems and just let trans people into the bathrooms! We've fixed the issue of excluding trans people, we've saved billions, it is win win win win win win win. Oh, sure, I guess some transphobes lose. Whoop-de-doo.

You're missing the point of the word compromise. Compromise is a solution that makes everyone happy or at least content. Basically, you won't get your way and I won't get my way, however there is a solution in place that works for both of us.

Compromise. It is important in our deeply divided country.

Below is the list of 72 Genders, each and every one uke would say is fine to make up and shorten because... 'lefties'.

I will speak for uke and say i am quite sure he is ok with "Biogender" from below. . And if he is not he can write to them and tell them how stupid they are.

But Biowomen or Biomen, nope. Not to have it. Why? Why the intolerance? Because the 'right' people did not make the term up.


Agender: A person who does not identify themselves with or experience any gender. Agender people are also called null-gender, genderless, gendervoid, or neutral gender.
Abimegender: Associated with being profound, deep, and infinite. The term abimegender may be used alone or in combination with other genders.
Adamas gender: A gender that is indefinable or indomitable. People identifying with this gender refuse to be categorized in any particular gender identity.
Aerogender: Also called evaisgender, this gender identity changes according to one’s surroundings.
Aesthetigender: Also called aesthetgender, it is a type of gender identity derived from aesthetics.
Affectugender: This is based on the person’s mood swings or fluctuations.
Agenderflux: A person with this gender identity is mostly agender with brief shifts of belonging to other gender types.
Alexigender: The person has a fluid gender identity between more than one type of gender although they cannot name the genders they feel fluid in.
Aliusgender: This gender identity stands apart from existing social gender constructs. It means having a strong specific gender identity that is neither male nor female.
Amaregender: Having a gender identity that changes depending on the person one is emotionally attached to.
Ambigender: Having two specific gender identities simultaneously without any fluidity or fluctuations.
Ambonec: The person identifies themselves as both man and woman and yet does not belong to either.
Amicagender: A gender-fluid identity where a person changes their gender depending on the friends they have.
Androgyne: A person feels a combination of feminine and masculine genders.
Anesigender: The person feels close to a specific type of gender despite being more comfortable in closely identifying themselves with another gender.
Angenital: The person desires to be without any primary sexual characteristics although they do not identify themselves as genderless.
Anogender: The gender identity fades in and out in intensity but always comes back to the same gendered feeling.
Anongender: The person has a gender identity but does not label it or would prefer to not have a label.
Antegender: A protean gender that can be anything but is formless and motionless.
Anxiegender: This gender identity has anxiety as its prominent characteristic.
Apagender: The person has apathy or a lack of feelings toward one's gender identity.
Apconsugender: It means knowing what are not the characteristics of gender but not knowing what are its characteristics. Thus, a person hides its primary characteristics from the individual.
Astergender: The person has a bright and celestial gender identity.
Astral gender: Having a gender identity that feels to be related to space.
Autigender: Having a gender identity that feels to be closely related to being autistic.
Autogender: Having a gender experience that is deeply connected and personal to oneself.
Axigender: A gender identity that is between the two extremes of agender and any other type of gender. Both the genders are experienced one at a time without any overlapping. The two genders are described as on the opposite ends of an axis.
Bigender: Having two gender identities at the same or different times.
Biogender: Having a gender that is closely related to nature.
Blurgender: Also called gender fuss, blurgender means having more than one gender identities that blur into each other so that no particular type of gender identity is clear.
Boyflux: The person identifies themselves as male, but they experience varying degrees of male identity. This may range from feeling agender to completely male.
Burstgender: Frequent bursts of intense feelings quickly move to the initial calm stage.
Caelgender: This gender identity shares the qualities or aesthetics of outer space.
Cassgender: It is associated with the feelings of considering the gender irrelevant or unimportant.
Cassflux: There is a fluctuating intensity of irrelevance toward gender.
Cavusgender: The person feels close to one gender when depressed and to another when not depressed.
Cendgender: The gender identity changes from one gender to its opposite.
Ceterogender: It is a nonbinary gender where the person has a specific masculine, feminine or neutral feelings.
Ceterofluid: Although the person is a ceterogender, their identity keeps fluctuating between different genders.
Cisgender: Being closely related to the gender assigned at birth during the entire life.
Cloudgender: The person’s gender cannot be comprehended or understood due to depersonalization and derealization disorder.
Collgender: Various genders are present at the same time in the individual.
Colorgender: In this category, colors are used to describe gender, for example, pink gender or black gender.
Commogender: The person knows that they are not cisgender yet continues to identify as one for a while.
Condigender: The person feels their gender only under specific circumstances.
Deliciagender: Associated with the feeling of having multiple genders but preferring one over the other.
Demifluid: Having multiple genders, some fluid while others are static.
Demiflux: A combination of multiple genders with some genders static, whereas others fluctuating in intensity.
Demigender: The individual has partial traits of one gender and the rest of the other gender.
Domgender: The individual has multiple genders with one dominating over the rest.
Duragender: Having more than one gender with one lasting longer than the others.
Egogender: It is a personal type of gender identified by the individual alone. It is based on the person’s experience within the self.
Epicene: It is associated with a strong feeling of not being able to relate to any of the two genders of the binary gender or both of the binary gender characteristics.
Esspigender: The individual relates their gender identity with spirits.
Exgender: The denial to identify with any gender on the gender spectrum.
Existigender: The person’s gender identity exists only when they make conscious efforts to realize it.
Femfluid: The person is fluid or fluctuating regarding the feminine genders.
Femgender: A nonbinary gender identity that is feminine.
Fluidflux: It means to be fluid between two or more genders with a fluctuation in the intensity of those genders.
Gemigender: The person has two genders that are opposite yet they flux and work together.
Genderblank: It is closely related to a blank space.
Genderflow: The gender identity is fluid between infinite feelings.
Genderfluid: The person does not consistently adhere to one fixed gender and may have many genders.
Genderfuzz: More than one gender is blurred together.
Genderflux: The gender fluctuates in intensity.
Genderpuck: The person resists to fit in societal norms concerning genders.
Genderqueer: The individual blurs the preconceived boundaries of gender in relation to the gender binary or having just one gender type.
Gender witched: The person is inclined toward the notion of having one gender but does not know which.
Girlflux: The individual identifies themselves as a female but with varying intensities of female identities.
Healgender: A gender identity that gives the person peace, calm, and positivity.
Mirrorgender: Changing one's gender type based on the people surrounding.
Omnigender: Having or experiencing all genders.