Do trans men see a 10% gain, if you know?

Why bother talking facts when we can just keep indulging juan's availability heuristic.. Mental shortcuts seem to be his thing.

The facts of the picture he linked with the "this doesn't look safe" comment was

So the answer to appears to be two.

I would also mention that but I do feel like the mocking is a bit out of place

ATHLETES INJURED IN CONTACT SPORTS, NEWS AT 11

I fractured a vertebra playing basketball when I was young. But it wasn't because the person who tangled up with me was a man. It was because the person (a girl) was much bigger than me and we landed poorly. She wasn't unsafe to play with. Contact sports are inherently dangerous and there will always be major size/strength disparities within the boundaries of each sex and each professional sport.

There are possibly legitimate reasons to argue for excluding trans athletes, but safety is not one of them. Sorry.

See this is why I worry that engaging these people in a discussion of whether transgender athletes are safe or have an advantage is just playing into their hands; it's why I'm putting wn on blast for predictably framing the discussion in a way that's most favorable to these people.

The core issue is that these people think transgender people are icky and different and shouldn't be recognized or treated as legitimate. Watch how JV gleefully calls them mentally ill, do you think the health of women's rugby players is really what he's concerned about?

I wasn't trying to engage him, I was trying to make fun of him...

Can we all at least agree that female-to-male transgender athletes should be completely unobjectionable? Or at least I'm interested in seeing what cockamamie pretext y'all have for opposing that.

Nah man, gotta exclude them for being on PEDs.

Obv it's just not safe for them to compete.

You took my answer, Mr Poopie. No fair.

Mocking? Asking for the rate of injury when person in question is making a specific claim founded on there being a higher rate of injury is pretty much fundamental to that claim. An athlete whose participation in a contact sport has resulted in an injure to themselves and one other person is totally ordinary, and as such, juan's claim that this person is an injury risk looks like bull****.

lol did the transgender athlete injure themselves? Strong ****ing arguments ITT.

Bleh, I can't find it, and now I'm wondering whether I misremembered - whether the plan was to use running app data. I'm pretty sure it was in an interview with this woman, who has analyzed 800 race times for trans women athletes and shown the 10% drop:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...ance-including

And yeah, trans men get a 10% performance boost following transition.

“FROM 1900 TO 1922, HARRY Allen was one of the most notorious men in the Pacific Northwest. The West was still wide and wild then, a place where people went to find their fortunes, escape the law, or start a new life. Allen did all three. Starting in the 1890s, he became known as a rabble-rouser, in and out of jail for theft, vagrancy, bootlegging, or worse. Whatever the crime, Allen always seemed to be a suspect because he refused to wear women’s clothes, and instead dressed as a cowboy, kept his hair trim, and spoke in a baritone. Allen, who was assigned female at birth, was actually far from the only trans* man who took refuge on the frontier.”

https://www.atlasobscura.com/article...N_1AnxCS3kYHO4

( *As the term “transgender” did not emerge until the late 20th century, it was not a category these people would have used themselves, writes Emily Skidmore in True Sex: The Lives of Trans Men at the Turn of the Twentieth Century. But Skidmore sees trans, rather than transgender, as a helpful umbrella term to acknowledge and encompass the gender variance expressed by historical individuals, and so we use the same terminology in this article.)


Unfair advantage in old fashioned saloon brawls an issue?

People thought cake baking was controversial. How about legally forcing women to wax your piece?

Probably a fascist also.....

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...-wax-complaint

First, you realize there are plenty of jobs where you are expected to be able to deal professionally with people's genitals? Second, most waxing salons have male clientele. It is not that unusual for men to have their junk waxed. So yes, if you have a job that involves waxing people's genitals, you should be able to handle both a penis and a vagina, irrespective of whether your client is cis or trans.

I loved the cake baking thing but this one is even better for sure. Not even a religious component here--just "nope, not waxing that".

I think in this specific case--if the waxer normally does men then they absolutely have to do the transwoman--but if they don't normally do men then they don't have to.

It is basically the same argument as the baker. Since the baker won't even bake a Halloween cake his religious exemption is well-founded* just like the waxer would have a good claim if they never did men. (And per the article the claim is that they did not have training to do men).
*although I thought the coerced speech/baker-as-artist argument was more interesting and the court did not rule on that. It would be hard pressed to argue that a waxer is an artist though.

Canadians. who cares.

I dunno if you looked at the article. This person is an extortion artist who specifically goes around to find waxers who only do women, and then extort them if they refuse to do the deed. Gotta respect the hustle I guess.

Do you think a prostitute working in a legal brothel that normally only caters to men should be legally compelled to have sex with a woman client?

Legally compelled? Probably not. But I'm just pushing back on the transphobic tone of 'ZOMG waxing a penis'. It is unusual to have a policy of only waxing vaginas AFAIK. My esthetician friend says she has about a third male clients, although I live in LOL Bay Area. Given the propensity for an unforested dick these days, I just can't imagine it's that rare in other parts of the country.

Idk why we care to discuss the waxing thing as if US laws apply to it. But regardless Public accommodation laws are a thing. If you want to discriminate against people and not serve everyone then don’t open a public business. Make sure you take zero tax benefits, and don’t have a public store front and discriminate until your little bigoted heart is content.

There better be a dick waxing question during the next Dem debate.

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/as...-implications/

Well, it appears this activist has found at least 16 waxologists to drag before human rights tribunals for this in BC alone, so apparently it isn't that uncommon there.

But I guess you have to appreciate Yaniv for targeting low income immigrants and dragging them before human rights tribunals. She really seems to be doing important work in advancing the cause.