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10-26-2019 , 03:33 PM




Here it is from someone who is trans. Ok?

It’s not a big deal, you made a mistake, just stop doubling down ffs.
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10-26-2019 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
The point is to laugh at you like I did. I wouldn't do that and could easily accept a simple mistake or oversight in using the offensive term if you weren't such an a-hole about the whole thing. I love the victory dance, as always. Nice touch.
That's the thing bro, an objective person reads what I wrote, and would know for certain it was not used offensively. Here is how you know this....here is offensive usage:

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You are transgendered?
...compared to what I wrote, which has no practical, or ideological differences in it's usage and meaning, from transgender, the ONLY difference between my usage of trans-gendered, as opposed to transgender is the -ed. Does not change the meaning, context, or understanding of transgender-ism, in the context I used.

Your boy nitpicked semantics becasue he could not rebut the actual substance of my post. That's what happened here.
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10-26-2019 , 03:36 PM
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Here it is from someone who is trans. Ok?
Yep.

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Charlotte Clymer is an American activist, writer, and the press secretary for rapid response at the Human Rights Campaign, an American LGBTQ civil rights organization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Clymer
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10-26-2019 , 03:38 PM
If you refuse to be educated re your usage of slurs, again, that doesn’t mean you’re bad at grammar, it means you’re an ass hole.
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10-26-2019 , 03:39 PM
What is a participial adjective
Hopefully this helps
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In English grammar, participial adjective is a traditional term for an adjective that has the same form as the participle (that is, a verb ending in -ing or -ed/-en) and that usually exhibits the ordinary properties of an adjective. Also called a verbal adjective or a deverbal adjective. In the text "English Grammar: A University Course" (2006), Downing and Locke use the term pseudo-participial adjective to characterize the “increasing number of adjectives [that] are coined by adding -ing or -ed not to verbs but to nouns.” Examples include enterprising, neighboring, talented, and skilled....
“Participial adjectives end in -ed because they are derived from past participles of verbs. ...The meanings of participial adjectives depend on the participle they come from. The -ing adjectives (boring, interesting, amazing, exciting, following) have a progressive or active meaning. The -ed adjectives (advanced, alleged, bored, complicated, excited, exhausted) have a completed or passive meaning>.”
Article is very thorough although no comment on the offensiveness of their use when describing people
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10-26-2019 , 03:40 PM
You'd think by now I'd be used to this place turning into a hate site, but no.
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10-26-2019 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
If you refuse to be educated re your usage of slurs, again, that doesn’t mean you’re bad at grammar, it means you’re an ass hole.
You just repeated the assertion, after it was pointed out why you are wrong, and even your tweet suggest it's commonly said the same way, inadvertently by "allies". This is activists virtue signaling using grammar idiosyncrasies, in order to turn an innocuous usage of a term into a pejorative, to paint people as bigots, when they make the same common mistake. .You've bought into that type of pathology, I have not.
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10-26-2019 , 03:42 PM
Luckbox, if someone informed you that a particular word was often used a slur against their community, you would keep using it? Because why?

I don’t think you would.
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10-26-2019 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You just repeated the assertion, after it was pointed out why you are wrong.
Many people have tried to help you and have given you an out of just admitting it was a mistake and not an intentional usage of a slur against transgender people.

I feel like this conversation is just above your cognitive cap. You’re probably not malicious, you’re just acting very very stupid, and I suppose we’ll just have to let this go in your case. Hopefully you never get your ass beat in real life, because I don’t think I’ll be there to laugh and say I told you so.

Last edited by Crossnerd; 10-26-2019 at 03:50 PM. Reason: :rolleyes:
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10-26-2019 , 03:46 PM
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Luckbox, if someone informed you that a particular word was often used a slur against their community, you would keep using it? Because why?

I don’t think you would.
Not in this instance at least.
I'm pretty politically correct but I got this FSU hat as a gift randomly and I really like the material and feel like I should be allowed to wear it. Maroon is a good color and it's one of those nike super sleek golf hates. I don't want to throw it away but would feel horrible if a native american took offense to it and there are a lot in Arizona.
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10-26-2019 , 03:49 PM
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Many people have tried to help you and have given you an out of just admitting it was a mistake and not an intentional usage of a slur against transgender people.

I feel like this conversation is just above your cognitive cap. You’re probably not malicious, you’re just very very stupid, and I suppose we’ll just have to let this go in your case. Hopefully you never get your ass beat in real life, because I don’t think I’ll be there to laugh and say I told you so.
Once again, all you are doing here is saying I'm right, your an *******, and stupid, while using an argumentum ad populum (which almost all of the people you refer to, are ultra-progressives, which I find to be a contemptible ideological perspective). That's not a rebuttal, bro. If you want to convince me, it's not by appealing to logical fallacies. Most of the people who don't like it, to which you refer, are the ones who essentially remove anyone who does not subscribe to the group think, and could not coexist with others outside of that.

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10-26-2019 , 03:52 PM
Cross nerd does not prefer to be addressed as "bro."
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10-26-2019 , 03:58 PM
if this boy, whose mother seems to have coached him into wearing dresses and painting his nails ended up getting chemically castrated at 10 I think transgendered would be fairly accurate.

would never dream of using it to describe someone who was born that way ldo.

but frankly I find it offensive that so many here are trying to undermine the existence of these people of the margins.
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10-26-2019 , 03:59 PM
I mean, for a term to be offensive, it has to be used offensively. Based on the activist own acknowledgement, it's commonly not used in an offensive way, but since a few people use it wrong, people should not use it.

I'm sorry that's stupid. It's entirely about creating yet another way to leverage the term bigot at folks people don't like, becasue, still, at this very moment, not a single person has taken issue with the context I used it in, they are taking issue with the term itself, which, again has been, and is used innocuously by "allies". You all are making a big deal about a term used in a innocuous context, and I'm the problem? Special world, I say.

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10-26-2019 , 04:04 PM
I do think it’s an a-hole thing to do to keep using a word after you’ve been informed that it’s used as a slur. It’s not personal.

It’s also my opinion that only a bigot would refuse to respect someone’s preferences in this regard. So.. you’re kinda doing it to yourself. I don’t think this convo would still be happening if you’d just said ok you won’t use the -ed version anymore and you didn’t know better.

Using it mistakenly once doesn’t make you an *******, it’s continuing to use it after you know better that makes you an *******. I’m not sure why you’re unable or unwilling to parse this...

I posted the part about even allies making the mistake to give you an out that you’re not an ******* but you decided not to take it. <shrug>

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10-26-2019 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
I do think it’s an a-hole thing to do to keep using a word after you’ve been informed that it’s used as a slur. It’s not personal.

It’s also my opinion that only a bigot would refuse to respect someone’s preferences in this regard.
What I've seen is, some people use it as a slur, and most people use it in an innocuous way. This is not the pronoun issue. This is making an issue, where one does not exist. This is about someone adding -ed at the end of a word. Maybe athletes should stop kneeling....I don't think they should stop, as it's up to them, but I find it offensive, but I do not think of them as "dicks" for not stopping.
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10-26-2019 , 04:12 PM
ihiv, Please stop using the term “transgendered”. It is a slur.

Hokay?

Hokay.
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10-26-2019 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
That's the thing bro, an objective person reads what I wrote, and would know for certain it was not used offensively. Here is how you know this....here is offensive usage:



...compared to what I wrote, which has no practical, or ideological differences in it's usage and meaning, from transgender, the ONLY difference between my usage of trans-gendered, as opposed to transgender is the -ed. Does not change the meaning, context, or understanding of transgender-ism, in the context I used.

Your boy nitpicked semantics becasue he could not rebut the actual substance of my post. That's what happened here.
MrWookie's initial response made no claim that you were trying to be offensive. He was simply pointing out that you're probably not very familiar with the issue since you were using an offensive term, actually implying that you weren't intentionally being offensive. you are generally offensive and insulting to people you don't agree with making it rational for them to not give you benefit of doubt about being offensive, so you should probably thank wookie for giving you that benefit of doubt.

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I don't have to agree with what people find offensive. If someone is upset at proper use of the word, because it has an -ed at the end, I don't care, and no one I've talked to it has cared, until now. To be fair, I don't hang out with activists.
Now that's offensive.

Always a double down, I swear it.
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10-26-2019 , 04:14 PM
Here comes Abbaddabba yelling hold my beer and shantideva to say the quiet parts out loud. (not sure how the last troll avoids a ban)

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10-26-2019 , 04:18 PM
i disagree with vegas, a term does not have to be intended as offensive for offense to be taken. and continuing to refer to people who were born that way as if it was something that happened to them is highly bigoted.

but we also need to acknowledge the people who had it done to them either with regret or without consent, and we can't do that by kowtowing to the whims of the transgender power majority in their quest to silence their mere existence by making the word transgendered taboo. it's extremely bigoted.
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10-26-2019 , 04:19 PM
I don’t understand some of you. This is not a partisan issue, this is a matter of basic human decency. It’s a sad thing to fail at so overtly. :/
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10-26-2019 , 04:21 PM
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i disagree with vegas, a term does not have to be intended as offensive for offense to be taken. and continuing to refer to people who were born that way as if it was something that happened to them is highly bigoted.

but we also need to acknowledge the people who had it done to them either with regret or without consent, and we can't do that by kowtowing to the whims of the transgender power majority in their quest to silence their mere existence by making the word transgendered taboo. it's extremely bigoted.
Please share the source for your stats on what they want.
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10-26-2019 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
ihiv, Please stop using the term “transgendered”. It is a slur.

Hokay?

Hokay.
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Referring to someone as “a transgender” can sound about as odd as saying, “Look, a gay!” It turns a descriptive adjective into a defining noun and can make the subject sound distant and foreign, like they’re something else first and a person second. This guidance is part of GLAAD’s media reference guide, under the heading “Terms to Avoid”: “Do not say, ‘Tony is a transgender,’ or ‘The parade included many transgenders.’ Instead say, ‘Tony is a transgender man,’ or ‘The parade included many transgender people.’” These key language nuances haven’t been consistently adopted by the media. For example, on Dec. 15, the Associated Press listed this story in among their “10 Things to Know For Today:”
https://time.com/3630965/transgender-transgendered/

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But the language people use to refer to themselves, particularly minority groups, changes. Today some people prefer the abbreviated trans or trans*, and transgendered has largely fallen out of favor (though some media outlets are still using it). When I recently asked San Francisco-based attorney Christina DiEdoardo, a transgender woman, how many out of 10 trans people she knows would say they dislike the word transgendered, she quickly answered: “11.”


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“The consensus now seems to be that transgender is better stylistically and grammatically,” DiEdoardo says.

You are calling it a slur, for a very specific reason, and it has nothing to do with it being a slur/pejorative.
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10-26-2019 , 04:24 PM
Please stop using the term “transgendered”. It is offensive and often used as a slur.
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10-26-2019 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
What I've seen is, some people use it as a slur, and most people use it in an innocuous way. This is not the pronoun issue. This is making an issue, where one does not exist. This is about someone adding -ed at the end of a word. Maybe athletes should stop kneeling....I don't think they should stop, as it's up to them, but I find it offensive, but I do not think of them as "dicks" for not stopping.
There are countless examples of slurs throughout history that people commonly used innocuously but because it was frequently used as a slur people stopped using the word altogether, since whether it's intended to be offensive or not doesn't change the fact that it's a slur. The most extreme example is obviously the n-word but other less obvious things like coloured to refer to non-whites and "nouning" gay are other instances of words that were used by many people in entirely innocuous contexts but because they were also used as slurs people stopped using them.

This really shouldn't be a hard thing to grasp. If a word is a slur then even innocuously intentioned use of the word can be problematic and cause offence. Altering your use of language to avoid the slur makes things a little better for a marginalised group and requires zero effort.
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