https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...ic-sensitivity

Grunching a little, did we get an opinion from itshot on whether kids can be conditioned into being hetero/homosexual?

You can do better. Children can be conditioned to be something they are not.

For something outdated, it's pretty much taught to all psychology students.

I mean, slot machines rely on this law, which the law led to the discovery of intermittent rewards....and for one of our resident narcissist, path of exile does too. Intermittent rewards drives compulsive behavior.

Sorry, that's not clear to me. Do you think a homosexual can be conditioned to be heterosexual?

You are missing the nuance. They can be conditioned to say they are homosexual, or heterosexual. Tell me there is not a list a mile long of gay guys who don't come out to their parents. Kid's can and do live lies to placate their parents idealistic vision of them, good intentions, or not.

Children isn’t really necessary in this sentence depending on the extremity of the conditioning. Sexuality and gender can’t be conditioned tho, that’s kind of our whole point.

Conditioning a heterosexual into a homosexual or a cisgender into a transgender is a much, much different conversation - and the one relevant here.

That’s probably where one of your (many) disconnects lie.

Edit: slow ponied.

You've missed it, as well.

They can be conditioned to be something they are not. In other words, they can be conditioned to live a lie. This is not an issue of lack of clarity on my part.


It's a forgone conclusion, positive reinforcement will encourage kids to continue along the path of trans, even when they were not really serious, and will continue saying it due to the positive response from the parent. The law of effect.

You all keep missing this is about the kids who are not actually trans.

I lol'd. Touche, sir.

People should really read this:

As a programmer, I am very familiar with medium and it is an excellent forum with excellent articles, and this is one of them. A caveat to that is that the author never explicitly states that a teen should not transition, but lays out thoughtful ways a trans teen, or a trans person of any age for that matter, can navigate life, which is a really impactful message.

That said, I am growing tired of mh in this thread and his incessant posts. Imho, itshotinvegas and Abbaddabba are examples of opposing opinions, although tasteless at times, that strengthen our own. But mh is just a disruptive pos missing several chromosomes. I have never witnessed someone take such a massive beating and continue to, in his own ignorance, refuse to change and stick around even though no one, at least to my understanding, wants him here. I think it best, for my own sanity, to leave this thread until he is either perma-banned or leaves on his own accord, not that anyone needs or wants me to stay. I know to a high degree I am being hypocritical, since others have stated that people have been un-perma-banned and I, more or less, said it made sense because opposing ideas were important, and I accept that criticism. Nevertheless, I believe this is a good decision for me and am going to move forward with it as he adds nothing to the conversation, and continues to double down in his ignorance from what I can only imagine is some form of emotional fragility. It was great conversing and debating with all of you, I have learned a lot from everyone and grown as a person from the interactions I have had here. Hope yall have a good one.

OK, as much as you want to try to say that you're not talking specifically about Luna in a thread about Luna, get to the point of the subject of this thread. Do you think that Luna is being conditioned to be something that she is not, and what is your evidence of this, or, if you don't think that your immense verbiage about child conditioning is applicable to the OP, why the hell are you blabbing so much?

One of my best friends is missing a chromosome, and even though he is exceptionally bright, the condition creates chemical imbalances that require monthly injections. Fine to criticize MH, but not sure using a real-life serious condition is a great rhetorical device in which to do so. For example, I've heard conservatives use the term "libtard", which is demeaning to mentally challenged persons.

Looking forward to seeing your polling data, sir.

I can certainly relate to the bolded. Know for sure that I'm not NEEDED here, and pretty likely that almost nobody WANTS me here.

Yet, here I am.....

I don't know what this hypothesis is, but if it's referencing the movie I just googled, then yes, anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis is a thing. Not common but certainly a possible cause of psychiatric symptoms.

I'm not really sure why you think this to be true. First, I said that the endocrinologist gave a talk on the subject. In medicine, that's understood to not just be chit chat in the office, but instead it's a presentation which reviews the evidence and current state of clinical practice.

Second, I explicitly stated that I also had done my own research in the past.

I'm almost curious why you also included in this post a description of what a psychiatrist and psychologist are, but since this is the second time in this thread where you've made up what I said, I don't think I actually care.

And for context...a post preceding the one above:

Yeah....I'm still waiting for which research led you to believe there is little downside risk, for off label use, non-FDA approved treatment, and is classified as experimental, that led to this response, where you essentially passed the buck. Your entire argument can be summed up as, I'm a doctor, or they are a doctor trust me/them.

https://www.fda.gov/patients/learn-a...ed-drugs-label

Odd, you can't answer some questions the FDA recommends when a doctor suggest off-label use..

Especially when you have stuff like this:

But we have doctors wanting to halt it, so there is potential to modify it.

Ever get around to telling us your medical school background?

[QUOTE=ganstaman;55574890]I don't know what this hypothesis is, but if it's referencing the movie I just googled, then yes, anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis is a thing. Not common but certainly a possible cause of psychiatric symptoms.


My question is do you think a decent percentage of the population that suffers from depression is just stemming from elevated systemic inflammation?

Also, people suffering from depression have higher markers of c-reactive protein and IL-6 by up to 50%. Obviously this is just a association, but.

There have been studies of individuals injected with lipopolysaccharide (endotoxin)/ interferon gamma (cytokine)/ or placebo (saline water), and depressive symptoms resulted in the endotoxin/cytokine group, but not in the placebo group. Also, I don't think this information is getting out to the public like it should.

I'm perfectly fine with this. If you don't have a medical school background, you can't post anything in politics and society.

Here's the thing -- I don't actually care about convincing you. I don't have the time to dedicate to this forum to get into what will inevitably be a long drawn-out discussion requiring lots of research, reading and interpreting studies. It can often be hard to fully understand even a single study without being well-versed in the background that led to that study. You've already twice made up what I've said so I can't even expect that this will be an honest discussion.

The research is certainly out there if anyone else wants to get into this. And others here who already trust me may appreciate the information.

There's certainly does appear to be a correlation between general inflammation and psychiatric disorders. However the studies trying to use various anti-inflammatories really aren't all that convincing. I think this would get out to the general public more if we could be more sure that it actually worked especially compared to current treatments. There are a lot of associations that can be made between various lab test and scans with psychiatric disorders, but none are really leading us to as of yet worthwhile treatments.

Alright, thanks. Actually I have one more question. What does the newest research on OCD (Obsessive compulsive disorder) say? + are there any new treatments for it? Also, Have you heard of inositol? Do you have an opinion on it being used for ocd?

That is your perogative. You've said some stuff that flies in the face of all research I've read. Being a doctor is not a rebuttal to a challenge about what you've said. When you said little down side , and the internet is full of articles from reputable news outlets that has doctors saying the risk is unknown....and you have countless people saying they really don't know how this stuff will affects you until you do it....


The answer to the question is, there is no research that tells you there is little down side....you being a doctor does not change that.

For people who want a doctor's perspective, and will lay it out:



It's clear to me, the only people who want to elaborate on the risk, are people who are concerned with this course of treatment.