I assume that very few medical professionals are recommending surgical intervention, sterilization, etc., for 7 year-olds.

When I said I would follow professional advice, I was thinking mainly about the question of when you can reliably determine that someone is transgender and your points 1-3.

1) Do I get to pick my own expert when it comes time for that "expert opinion" on which we base the answer?

2) Absolutely not. I know most people on this forum don't have children, but this is a 1st grader. There are millions of first graders who still need to bring extra sets of clothes to school because they might piss themselves by waiting too long to use the bathroom. Long term consequential decision-making is not a strong suit of 7 year old children, particularly when that decision is being heavily influenced by their mother.

3) First, do no harm. Chemical castration cannot be undone. Nail polish can be wiped off.


Sweet Jesus, WAAF

Man....her mom is Brazilian and it gets a lot worse. Lipstick to school is one thing but she's got a youtube channel with videos of her with a police hat and boa dancing like some sort of stripper. Yet she got mad at me when she was three when I was teaching her about birds instead of english and math. Her youtube dance channel is a new thing but the music kids dance to is pretty bad and the sexualization of kids starts super young. At the very least she was banned from playing the "dame tu cosita" song.
There is a reason I don't have kids and it's because this world isn't an appropriate place to raise children in. Maybe in a small town in the mountains in a country not the United States.

I also realize sexualization of kids is a different issue than transgenderism of kids, but it isn't like I'm ever making a thread on the former..

We don't need a derail on this issue. I don't think anyone on here approves of the sexualization of kids. There is nothing to discuss.

Well then I guess it's back to trolling. Carry on.

Do you even science?

For ****s sake, why are people allowed to post this right-wing nonsense about chemical castration? There is literally no hormone or surgical treatment as part of the process until puberty at the absolute earliest and the article in the OP quite clearly explains that.

Take this post for example;

The points in this post are actually completely reasonable, but because of the right-wing sensationalism involved in reporting this case juan actually believes that people are in favour of hormonal treatment for a 7 year old. To be clear, literally nobody involved in this story is suggesting anything beyond the first 3 points here until the beginning of puberty at the absolute earliest.

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I'm sure there's an xkcd or three making the joke about how actual scientists feel regarding the topic of whatever branch of social "science" this falls under.

real life doesn't sell ads or get clicks, bro. we're cutting 7yr old penises off everyday over here on the left, twice on sundays.

Anyone who thinks that a 7 year old can make decisions for themselves like this, probably shouldn't be having children. There is a reason why the age of consent is 16-18 in our country. Children can't make these type of decisions. I thought the people arguing that this on twitter, were fake russian accounts, now I see, a lot of you guys are really way more radical than I thought.

Tbf you also think I'm a russian.

You seem pretty pro russia... also well named deleted a couple of my posts here, but I think one of the parts of the post was important here..

I don't see the difference in thinking a 7 year old can known they want to switch genders, and being able to give consent to that, and a 7 year old with regards to decision in sex. There is a reason age of consent is 16-18 in our country. I have 0 clue how this topic would be different. A 7 YEAR OLD IS NOT OLD ENOUGH TO GIVE CONSENT OR MAKE THESE TYPE OF DECISIONS

If a 4 year old tells his mom “**** you im going to pee behind this tree becauase I’m a guy” should the child then be sent for psychiatric evaluation and if deemed to have genuine male identity attend gender affirming care centers? Should a variety of people who are interested in helping with the gender affirming care be allowed to deny the parents wishes?

I certainly think that you should and can make this decision before 16. Once you are 13-14 you Do need transitional help including medical help. Actually 16 is undesireably late because you’ll end up messing up your transition.

....Are you okay?

What part of that statement was unreasonable?

I posted the tweet because it included a video of the father and son together talking about it which is obviously very relevant and hadn't been included in the thread yet. The article in the OP states that hormones/blockers get introduced as early as 10 years old. "At around ages 10 to 13, parents, health professionals and the child might decide to take puberty blockers" fyi the average 10 year old is 4.5 feet tall, 70lbs, and in the 5th grade. Still in santa clause territory for some. The story is about the father being completely pushed aside here, and presumably that translates to future decisions as well. There are similar cases that have been posted in the other trans thread.

I'm trying to imagine this reaction in response to a left wing source. this looks like a desperate justification to shake your fist and the sky and grandstand. settle down

if you have something to say, add or correct, be my guest. I'm open to it. i've posted info on transitioning in this thread and the other trans thread. I don't claim to be an expert and i believe the people claiming to be experts are acting like they know way more than they do and behaving recklessly.

If you have something to add or correct that i don't agree with i'll do my best not to respond with LEFT WIIIIING!..... LEFT...... WIINNGGGGGGGGG!!!!

Do what?

Ahhh ok. So this thread isn’t really about transgender children as the thread title suggests; it’s about yer manly rahts!

Kinda like how the female posters thread wasn’t at all to do with actually answering the question in the Op.

Why do you boys insist on pussy-footing around what you’re really mad about? It’s weak AF.

Thats a massive straw-man argument my man

Is it, Mr Scarecrow

I don’t think anyone on here is as informed about this issue as I am so I’ll just give a closing thought that should be obvious: there is a big difference between being a gay boy who likes to dress up in girls clothes (which should of course be allowed at any age) and re-assigning your gender. Those decisions should be made very very carefully.

There are some general concepts about decision making that may or may not be related to this subject.

The decision that is more likely to be correct may still be wrong if there is a decent possibility that when it is wrong it is terrible, while the opposite decision very rarely has this downside.

The decision that is more likely to be correct may still be wrong if there is a decent possibility that the opposite decision when right, is terrific, while the more likely to be right decision is very rarely terrific.

The decision that is more likely to be correct may still be wrong if it is difficult to reverse while the opposite decision is much easier to reverse.

Cut their balls off, LDO.

Seems like a lot of tough choices all around

That's gonna be a no from me dog. 7 yr old children should not be making life changing decisions. If he wants to wear girly clothes and act girly, sure. Drugs or hormone blockers, nah.