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Is it time to revisit the concept of freedom of speech? Is it time to revisit the concept of freedom of speech?

05-03-2020 , 06:32 PM
If Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) had declared ON TWITTER that Trump Administration officials should be "publicly harrassed", would she have been banned from Twitter?

Sounds like an incitement to violence to me.
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05-03-2020 , 07:39 PM
I mean, if I ran a social network, I would probably ban people who torture the definition of "socialist" so badly as to use it to mean "telling people to stay home during the worst pandemic in the lifetimes of all but the oldest Americans."
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05-03-2020 , 08:50 PM
Twitter banning a black woman for speaking out against a fascist white dictator is quite ironic, when you think about it.
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05-03-2020 , 11:20 PM
Your own plan is stricter than what the governor of Michigan is saying.
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05-03-2020 , 11:24 PM
Oh wait, I remember, you like fascist dictator behavior, which is why you like Trump, and you are speaking approvingly of the governor. Carry on.
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05-04-2020 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Your own plan is stricter than what the governor of Michigan is saying.
Really? My plan is for people to wear masks and go about their normal activities. Governor Fascist's plan is for people to stay in lockdown indefinitely.

Sounds like you are the one keen on licking the jackboots, not me.
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05-04-2020 , 01:32 AM
As a resident of The Golden State, I will obey any and all edicts from Governor Gavin Nuisance.
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05-04-2020 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
Twitter banning a black woman for speaking out against a fascist white dictator is quite ironic, when you think about it.
But since she's a REPUBLICAN, she's NOT REALLY BLACK.
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05-04-2020 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
Really? My plan is for people to wear masks and go about their normal activities. Governor Fascist's plan is for people to stay in lockdown indefinitely.

Sounds like you are the one keen on licking the jackboots, not me.
You gave particular criteria for when wearing masks and going about your business could begin to happen, and it hasn't. Not by a longshot. And your mask requirement is far stricter than what is present in Michigan.
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05-04-2020 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You gave particular criteria for when wearing masks and going about your business could begin to happen, and it hasn't. Not by a longshot. And your mask requirement is far stricter than what is present in Michigan.
My criteria wasn't set in stone. Some flexibility may be required. The isolating of elderly people shouldn't be too difficult to implement. The testing is a work in progress, sure. But the core requirement is the mask wearing. And if you think having to wear a mask is stricter than being locked in your home 24/7 then I don't know what to tell you. General stupidity is the major stumbling block though. That's why I suggested a public education campaign about the effectiveness of masks would be required to get people on board. I mean it's the only way that the virus is going to be defeated in the US. Lockdowns are pointless now. The spread is too wide.
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05-04-2020 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
My criteria wasn't set in stone. Some flexibility may be required. The isolating of elderly people shouldn't be too difficult to implement. The testing is a work in progress, sure. But the core requirement is the mask wearing. And if you think having to wear a mask is stricter than being locked in your home 24/7 then I don't know what to tell you. General stupidity is the major stumbling block though. That's why I suggested a public education campaign about the effectiveness of masks would be required to get people on board. I mean it's the only way that the virus is going to be defeated in the US. Lockdowns are pointless now. The spread is too wide.
You're cheerleading for places opening up that don't have a mask requirement, and Michgan's requirement is much less strict than yours: only indoor public places.

In the place with the most widespread virus, the lockdown is working, and it's still working.
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05-04-2020 , 04:23 PM
Just got to this thread.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s May 1st. The rent is due, and 30 million people are out of work.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CancelRent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Canc elRent</a> TODAY.</p>&mdash; Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) <a href="https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1256250484920328193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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05-04-2020 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You're cheerleading for places opening up that don't have a mask requirement, and Michgan's requirement is much less strict than yours: only indoor public places.

In the place with the most widespread virus, the lockdown is working, and it's still working.
OK. You win.

I can see this is going to go on one of those endless circular conversations, where you (deliberately?) misread/misinterpret my posts and I have to try and unravel the resulting confusion. It's just not worth it tbh.
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05-04-2020 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
Just got to this thread.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s May 1st. The rent is due, and 30 million people are out of work.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CancelRent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Canc elRent</a> TODAY.</p>&mdash; Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) <a href="https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1256250484920328193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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05-04-2020 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
OK. You win.



I can see this is going to go on one of those endless circular conversations, where you (deliberately?) misread/misinterpret my posts and I have to try and unravel the resulting confusion. It's just not worth it tbh.
You haven't clarified **** except to show that you are reflexively anti-liberal and pro-Trump even when that contradicts the crux of previous arguments.
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05-04-2020 , 09:23 PM
Yeah, I was trying to figure out how to embed the tweet and gave up and got busy doing something else. Not a perfect counterexample, but the point is Twitter has opened a real big can of worms by setting a real low bar for suspending users, and it is going to be hard for them not to be seen as hypocritical and partisan moving forward, unless they start suspending A LOT.
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05-04-2020 , 09:31 PM
Like they care. "We can suspend you at any time and for any reason. Or for no reason at all".
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05-14-2020 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Willd
[...]The argument that there should be no censorship of speech on the internet by any party, private or public, is entirely tangential. It's nice in theory but little more than wishful thinking in reality.
Yeah good luck with that. That's akin to saying that you should never throw someone out of a bar. I maintained an online community for a few years, and without powers of censorship or banning it would not have been possible to organize much online.

The issue with social media giants isn't that they can censor on their platforms, it is that their platforms are too big, thus the power of censorship is too great and on too few hands.

We also know that it is often completely arbitrary. When Facebook was used to organize the Rohingya genocide, there was almost no censorship because they only had one moderator who knew the language and the automated systems couldn't handle it either.
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06-28-2020 , 04:09 PM
https://youtu.be/KSjrYWPxsG8
No one has to watch this video-- I just thought it was funny to see a chess youtuber I watch complaining about getting one of his videos taken down. He has no idea why and speculates that maybe it's from saying "white is better here"-- although that phrase occurs in a bunch of his videos.
The perils of censorship by AI...
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06-29-2020 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
https://youtu.be/KSjrYWPxsG8
No one has to watch this video-- I just thought it was funny to see a chess youtuber I watch complaining about getting one of his videos taken down. He has no idea why and speculates that maybe it's from saying "white is better here"-- although that phrase occurs in a bunch of his videos.
The perils of censorship by AI...
Presumably "black is better here" wouldn't get flagged.

At least a decade before 9/11, a chess strategy book called The Chess Terrorist's Handbook was published.

I should write a review for that book on Facebook and see what happens.
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