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12-06-2023 , 08:21 AM
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Nice link, although I don't understand your statement, as I'm sure it has at least one typo.

I also like this page:

https://www.vhemt.org/
Our resident genius doesn't know how to spell hifalutin (he has made this mistake at least 3 times in recent memory, you'd think for how often he likes to use the word, he'd learn to spell it), and I guess he was making some play on "philistine", although none of it really makes sense.
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12-06-2023 , 02:31 PM
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The main point is not that everyone has a life full of suffering, but many people do. And you can never know if your child will have a life full of suffering or not, so by deciding to have a child you're gambling with someone else's life.
This seems correct to me, but it still doesn’t necessarily follow that taking that gamble is wrong?

I would dispute your use of “many” as opposed to “some”.
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12-07-2023 , 01:05 PM
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This seems correct to me, but it still doesn’t necessarily follow that taking that gamble is wrong?

I would dispute your use of “many” as opposed to “some”.
I think that gambling with consequences for others is wrong. It's like playing Russian roulette with the gun pointed at someone else.

Have you looked up the statistics for those who suffer from mental illnesses, debilitating physical conditions, child abuse, rape, war, homelessness, and abject poverty? Sure seems like a lot to me.
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12-07-2023 , 01:23 PM
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I think that gambling with consequences for others is wrong. It's like playing Russian roulette with the gun pointed at someone else.

Have you looked up the statistics for those who suffer from mental illnesses, debilitating physical conditions, child abuse, rape, war, homelessness, and abject poverty? Sure seems like a lot to me.
What about a potential parent who can be reasonably sure they can provide a safe and loving environment for the child and don’t have any family history of serious illness?
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12-07-2023 , 01:30 PM
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"This might not end well, so we better not even try." - No person who has ever contributed to societal advancement

chillrob definitely would've been the one eaten by a sabertooth tiger while everyone else gets away on their Flintstones-style skateboards.
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12-08-2023 , 06:32 AM
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What about a potential parent who can be reasonably sure they can provide a safe and loving environment for the child and don’t have any family history of serious illness?
Lower risk / less bad, still risky.
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12-08-2023 , 06:35 AM
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"This might not end well, so we better not even try." - No person who has ever contributed to societal advancement

chillrob definitely would've been the one eaten by a sabertooth tiger while everyone else gets away on their Flintstones-style skateboards.
Actually I would be the one still hiding in the cave.

However, I don't see the link between having children and societal advancement. One is very difficult, the other extremely easy.
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12-08-2023 , 12:02 PM
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Lower risk / less bad, still risky.
Is there any scenario where the odds are okay in your mind?
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12-08-2023 , 12:22 PM
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Shall we re-litigate Pascal's wager? I thought this was settled, and while my man Blaise had the best intentions, his statement has been etched into eternity as something he would never have wanted.
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12-09-2023 , 06:35 AM
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Is there any scenario where the odds are okay in your mind?
Not really. I wouldn't approve of forcing someone to get on a roller coaster even if I knew it was really safe and I thought they would probably have a really good time on the ride.
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12-11-2023 , 02:42 PM
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And so far the widespread social disorder described in this thread is left leaning people working at bookstores and people who are openly gay with blue hair. Am I understanding that correctly?
Barring weird exceptions, yes, they'll certainly be a good general character type for the sort of person behind the societal problems being discussed.
Yes.
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