Agreed. While I enjoyed the old politics forum, I long wished for an arena that was less nebulous and exclusive. Kudos.

We were told to leave.

Evicting the old posters to some random website is the price you pay for a less nebulous and exclusive environment. Growing pains imo.

I've been reading the title of this forum as politics and sobriety and just now noticed "society". Has it always been that or did WN just give up?

I gave up sobriety years ago

Doing it this way ends up in a lot fewer eyeballs on all those posts dunking on Mason in the old forum.

I didn't participate in the previous discussions on the forum but here's my view:

Basically posts which state the posters view (e.g. minimum wage should be higher/lower) in other words a proposal or conclusion but don't give reasons why another person should adopt that view (in other words, the argument) are a lot of the problem.

The reason is that "stating a position/proposal/conclusion" type of stuff is effectively "voting" on an issue rather than debating it and it will lead over time to the forum being a more attractive place for people who are in the forum majority and less so in the forum minority, amplifying any imbalance making it gradually less and less representative.

If you make a rule to remove posts of that type then it takes out a lot of the "lol no" vote type posting that clogged up the previous forum and instead make people actually work at persuading others

Also it needs to be moderated. In the previous forum I asked a few times for for a mod to come in to the Brexit thread and post a reminder to people that there was already a separate UK politarding thread and they should post their UK domestic politics stuff there, but nobody came. Good move to ungreen them.

lol, no

God this thread is such a joke.

Making people be nice to intellectually dishonest posters is only going to delay the inevitable...which was reached in the old forum.

Tether yourself to right wing ideology that fits the Republican Party today and all you do is go through mental gymnastics to ignore reality. It's a cult of callous indifference among other terrible things.

An honest right winger would call themselves Independent and call out the Party for the blatantly corrupt grift train it is.

Bahbah is in a thread right now arguing like a devil's advocate that Trump isn't racist. There is a mountain of evidence to suggest/prove he is and bahbah is not stupid. He's just being deliberately obtuse. This is the same old routine from many posters, roundly mocked in the old forum, because there doesn't need to be a debate about it. It's settled.

Mat and Mason shut the old forum down because they aren't interested in open discussion. They're only interested in not being called out for their BS which, if their logic functioned remotely like David's, would force them to take a step back and self examine and examine all the things they've been shown to be wrong about (and not let their raging narcissim get in the way of ceding imperfection is within the realm of possibility for them). They don't want to do that. They just want to continue to act in denial and lash out. That's all this boils down to, and is a microcosm of American politics...

Sure, I don't agree billionaires need to be taken to the guillotine. Only Einbert thinks that. I also didn't like people referring to Republicans as deplorables or Trump as Agent Orange or anything mocking. But you need to understand that that is all that's left if nobody on the right is interested in actually not functioning like a monolithic bloc of pathological liars solely interested in defending Sarah Huckabee Sanders and anything that miminizes the cost of taxable events...Stop pretending bro, and maybe that deplorable label would be lifted on merit alone