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Originally Posted by Nanny_Statist
OK Let's start then. Can you name me one example of a state being formed that didn't made any laws that infringes on an individual rights? Or any abstract example of a state that did the same? Also can you point me out to any law that can't be abused by the authority of the state?
I think my answers are no, no, and no. I didn't put too much thought into it, but I'm willing to go with those answers for the sake of argument.
But, on that note, I suggested that you ought to try to make an argument. Asking me questions is not an argument. The following might count as arguments, but I wouldn't find them very persuasive, personally:
1) All states have infringed upon individual rights at various times, therefore the concept of a state is inherently immoral, and thus we ought to do away with all states
2) All laws may be abused by state authorities, therefore the concept of a state is inherently immoral, and thus we ought to do away with all states.
It's primarily the last part ("we ought to do away with the state") that I think doesn't follow from answering your questions in the negative. I could imagine arguing against the conclusion that states are
immoral as well (it seems like an oversimplification), but I think my main objections would be more pragmatic than moral, so even if I largely agree about the immorality of various state acts (I'm sure we disagree about the morality of some state actions, like collecting taxes) it wouldn't lead me to conclude that we ought to do away with the state.