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Supreme Court Strikes Down Affirmative Action Supreme Court Strikes Down Affirmative Action

06-29-2023 , 01:37 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme...ction-c94b5a9c

This always seemed like a backward policy. Will be interesting to see how it plays out long-term.
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06-29-2023 , 01:49 PM
It wasn't an inherently bad policy, it just ended up outliving its usefulness and being taken too far.

Like many things that seem like a good idea at the time, people don't think about unintended consequences.
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06-29-2023 , 01:57 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ws-biden-trump

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Speaking at the White House, Joe Biden condemned the supreme court’s conservative justices for their decision released today against race-based admissions.

“In case after case, including recently, just a few years ago in 2016, the court has affirmed and reaffirmed this view that colleges could use race, not as a determining factor for admission, but as one of the factors among many in deciding who to admit,” the president said, adding that “the court once again walked away from decades of precedent.”

“The court has effectively ended affirmative action in college admissions and I strongly, strongly disagree with the court’s decision,” he said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65886212
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Former US President Donald Trump, the current Republican frontrunner for next year's election, hailed the decision as a "great day".

Americans with "extraordinary ability and everything else necessary for success" are "finally being rewarded", he said on social media.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023...ard-unc-ruling

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The US president said “this is not a normal court” of the bench, which has swung far to the right with the appointment of three right-wing justices during Donald Trump’s presidency, giving it a 6-3 conservative supermajority.

Speaking at the White House, Biden said: “Discrimination still exists in America. Today’s decision does not change that. It’s a simple fact.”

An analysis of student records by Students for Fair Admissions, a conservative activist group representing Asian American students in the lawsuit against Harvard, found that the institution, on average, rated Asian American applicants lower in personality and likability ratings than others. In oral arguments, Harvard’s attorney, Seth Waxman, argued that the university did not discriminate against Asian Americans, noting that the university weighed multiple factors in their admissions process.
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06-29-2023 , 02:40 PM
Asians out there quietly being model minorities and getting shafted by the coalition.
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06-29-2023 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Asians out there quietly being model minorities and getting shafted by the coalition.
I was just coming in to post that this ruling is good news for Asians.
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06-29-2023 , 03:24 PM
Yeah, sorry, I meant prior to this ruling. I should've worded that better.
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06-29-2023 , 03:51 PM
There is a massive exception in there and it makes it seem like the ruling does nothing.

https://twitter.com/blfraga/status/1674448428900704259
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06-29-2023 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I was just coming in to post that this ruling is good news for Asians.
that is some sweet summer child stuff.. lol asians aren't going to get those spots. those spots are going back to white males..
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06-29-2023 , 03:57 PM
AA is a prety good barometer for me for if you actually understand how America works(ed). it also pushes all the "colorblindness" idiots to the front.

if a person is thinking this decision is good, i know pretty much directly i won't think anything else the believe in is worth listening to.
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06-29-2023 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
that is some sweet summer child stuff.. lol asians aren't going to get those spots. those spots are going back to white males..
many asians are white
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06-29-2023 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
that is some sweet summer child stuff.. lol asians aren't going to get those spots. those spots are going back to white males..
You do realize this case was about Harvard. The key admission requirement is $$$$$
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06-29-2023 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
You do realize this case was about Harvard. The key admission requirement is $$$$$
not sure what you think this means in relation to my post, but the far more key admission requirement is if your father went to harvard. something like 43% of white harvard student had a relative at harvard previously. it was also about UNC the countries oldest public university.

this ruling will simply lower minority enrollment at all affected universities. this has already been shown to happen in places that have eliminated AA.

the idea that higher education ever was or ever will be some kind of "meritocracy" is a farce only believed by imbeciles.
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06-29-2023 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713

This always seemed like a backward policy.
What do you think would be some better ways to try to make up for all of the wrongs of the past?
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06-29-2023 , 05:07 PM
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What do you think would be some better ways to try to make up for all of the wrongs of the past?
Move on

If someone sucks out on you in poker, you can tilt away the rest of your stack/BR or you can...move on
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06-29-2023 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
Move on

If someone sucks out on you in poker, you can tilt away the rest of your stack/BR or you can...move on
That pretty much goes against everything our system of Justice is founded on though. And basically incentivizes continued discrimination if the only result is ever just--get over it again lol
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06-29-2023 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
That pretty much goes against everything our system of Justice is founded on though. And basically incentivizes continued discrimination if the only result is ever just--get over it again lol
Some would say AA is discrimination. I think it is blatantly racist
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06-29-2023 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I was just coming in to post that this ruling is good news for Asians.
Harvard will be an Asian institution within a few years!
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06-29-2023 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
Some would say AA is discrimination. I think it is blatantly racist
So how else do you remedy wrongs of the past? Do you think the thief is the one being done wrong when they have to pay back with interest etc? I doubt it. The dynamics are very similar with groups of people--except for the part where it's really easy for people in the group doing the wrongs to shrug and say it wasn't me man. Everyone acknowledges the laundry list of wrongs happened. In all reality things like AA have been pretty minor concessions.

The numbers get stupid big very fast with just something like the gi bill compounded out over several generations and that's just one thing on the list. Why wouldn't a very non-racist person such as yourself not want to right those wrongs?
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06-29-2023 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
So how else do you remedy wrongs of the past?
No interest because:

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it wasn't me man.
At least that appears to be the mentality on display. "Colour blind society", dude. Anything else would be racist, amirite?
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06-29-2023 , 05:49 PM
I may have mentioned this before but a bunch of 'wise men' interpretting a very old piece of paper is a very bad idea.
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06-29-2023 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
So how else do you remedy wrongs of the past? Do you think the thief is the one being done wrong when they have to pay back with interest etc? I doubt it. The dynamics are very similar with groups of people--except for the part where it's really easy for people in the group doing the wrongs to shrug and say it wasn't me man. Everyone acknowledges the laundry list of wrongs happened. In all reality things like AA have been pretty minor concessions.

The numbers get stupid big very fast with just something like the gi bill compounded out over several generations and that's just one thing on the list. Why wouldn't a very non-racist person such as yourself not want to right those wrongs?
I have no wrongs to right
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06-29-2023 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
I have no wrongs to right
So the only non-racist position to try to remedy well over a century of wrongs is lol nothing. And I'll call any attempts racist. There's no chance that's a good faith position bud.
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06-29-2023 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tien
Harvard will be an Asian institution within a few years!
Free us president Xi
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06-29-2023 , 06:58 PM
I'm not a fan of affirmative action, but I do think this decision is hilarious because Clarence Thomas was admitted to law school because of AA, and he really was only put on the Supreme Court because someone was needed to fill the "black seat" on the court.

https://www.newsweek.com/did-clarenc...k-down-1809976
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06-29-2023 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I'm not a fan of affirmative action, but I do think this decision is hilarious because Clarence Thomas was admitted to law school because of AA, and he really was only put on the Supreme Court because someone was needed to fill the "black seat" on the court.

https://www.newsweek.com/did-clarenc...k-down-1809976
You know how it became popular the last few years for conservatives to say “We’re like this because the libs were mean to us” and lefties are like “LOL No, those people don’t actually exist”?

Clarence is an actual living breathing example of that.
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