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07-11-2023 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Further to this point, Kelhus, without looking up the result, how confident are you that you could predict which way Thomas voted in Mallory v. Norfolk Southern?

In that case, a former employee of Norfolk Southern sued his former employer, a Virginia railroad corporation, under the Federal Employers' Liability Act (FELA) to recover for injuries allegedly caused by exposure to carcinogens in Virginia and Ohio. The question before the court was whether the employee's lawsuit, which was premised on a Pennsylvania consent statute requiring out-of-state corporations to consent to personal jurisdiction in Pennsylvania courts as a condition of registering to do business in the Commonwealth, violated the Due Process Clause.

Or how about Coinbase v. Bieleski?

In that case, the plaintiff filed a putative class action on behalf of Coinbase users alleging that Coinbase, an online currency platform, failed to replace funds fraudulently taken from the users' accounts. Because Coinbase's User Agreement provides for dispute resolution through binding arbitration, Coinbase filed a motion to compel arbitration. The District Court denied the motion. Coinbase then filed an interlocutory appeal to the Ninth Circuit under the Federal Arbitration Act, which authorizes an interlocutory appeal from the denial of a motion to compel arbitration. The question before the Court was whether a district court must stay its proceedings while an interlocutory appeal on the question of arbitrability is ongoing.

Or how about U.S. v. Texas?

In 2021, the Secretary of Homeland Security promulgated new immigration-enforcement guidelines that prioritized the arrest and removal from the United States of noncitizens who are suspected terrorists or dangerous criminals or who have unlawfully entered the country only recently, for example. Texas and Louisiana claimed that the Guidelines contravened two federal statutes that they read to require the arrest of certain noncitizens upon their release from prison or entry of a final order of removal. The District Court found that the States would incur costs due to the Executive's failure to comply with those alleged statutory mandates, and that the States therefore had standing to sue based on those costs. The question before the Court was whether Texas and Louisiana had Article III standing to challenge the Guidelines.

I of course could find dozens and dozens of cases like this every year.
Ok. I guess you can call this a copout but all of these require me to determine how Thomas would interpret legal documents I am not familiar with. Even if I assume he is going to interpret the documents through a conservative lens, I would still need to know what they actually say.

I am not familiar with Pennsylvania consent statute or the Due Process Clause (first case), the relevant wording of the User Agreement and Arbitration Laws (2nd case), and relevant Guidelines or Statutes (3rd case).

In most of the recent culture war related cases I am more familiar with the laws in question, so it is easier. For example, I know racial discrimination is prohibited, and unlike the progressive justices Thomas actually cares when federal laws are clearly being violated, so it is easy to assume he would vote against Harvard's blatant racial discrimination.

In those other cases you brought up, I don't really know what the relevant laws are.
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07-11-2023 , 11:09 AM
Yes, your answer was a complete cop out.

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Originally Posted by Dunyain
.. and unlike the progressive justices Thomas actually cares when federal laws are clearly being violated .....
Looool, where are you getting this from? You just constantly make **** up to support your agenda, don't you?
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07-11-2023 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
Ok. I guess you can call this a copout but all of these require me to determine how Thomas would interpret legal documents I am not familiar with. Even if I assume he is going to interpret the documents through a conservative lens, I would still need to know what they actually say.

I am not familiar with Pennsylvania consent statute or the Due Process Clause (first case), the relevant wording of the User Agreement and Arbitration Laws (2nd case), and relevant Guidelines or Statutes (3rd case).

In most of the recent culture war related cases I am more familiar with the laws in question, so it is easier. For example, I know racial discrimination is prohibited, and unlike the progressive justices Thomas actually cares when federal laws are clearly being violated, so it is easy to assume he would vote against Harvard's blatant racial discrimination.

In those other cases you brought up, I don't really know what the relevant laws are.
You know how Thomas would rule on constitutional cases but you aren't familiar with the Due Process Clause?

You are confident that you could predict how Thomas would vote if you reviewed the relevant language in Coinbase's User Agreement or the Pennsylvania consent statute or the Guidelines in the third case? I can get those for you if you are confident that would do the trick.

Even if I sent you the briefs from each side, I doubt that you would have a much better than a random chance of guessing how Thomas voted. I certainly wouldn't have felt confident predicting how he would have voted in these cases based solely on his general outlook. I would have needed to look at his previous decisions (if any) in cases that raised similar issues, and even then, I doubt that I would have been very confident.

Last edited by Rococo; 07-11-2023 at 11:24 AM.
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07-11-2023 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
You just constantly make **** up to support your agenda, don't you?
This is rhetorical, right?

Spoiler:
Much like this is.
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07-11-2023 , 06:43 PM
In the spirit of browser, I thought the rhetorical question was nicer than the assertion.

I don't even know how you could make the claim that Thomas cares about federal law violations with his distain of precedent.
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07-11-2023 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
You know how Thomas would rule on constitutional cases but you aren't familiar with the Due Process Clause?

You are confident that you could predict how Thomas would vote if you reviewed the relevant language in Coinbase's User Agreement or the Pennsylvania consent statute or the Guidelines in the third case? I can get those for you if you are confident that would do the trick.

Even if I sent you the briefs from each side, I doubt that you would have a much better than a random chance of guessing how Thomas voted. I certainly wouldn't have felt confident predicting how he would have voted in these cases based solely on his general outlook. I would have needed to look at his previous decisions (if any) in cases that raised similar issues, and even then, I doubt that I would have been very confident.
The 14th Amendment is very simple. And it is very simple to see how Affirmative Action violates it. I will concede with more complicated legal cases it would take me so much effort to wade through the jargon and understand what is going on it wouldn't be worth it, and I would never follow through.

So you win by technicality.

I still would suspect Thomas receiving gifts from donors potentially influenced his decision making less than Joe Biden; so IMO it takes a lot of cognitive dissonance to be so outraged by the former but agnostic towards the latter.
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07-12-2023 , 02:33 AM
Which gifts from donors did Biden get again? (That's Joseph Biden, not Hunter.)
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07-12-2023 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Which gifts from donors did Biden get again? (That's Joseph Biden, not Hunter.)
We went over this already. At least 2 vacations gifted to him by billionaire Democrat donors.

Also, LOL at a powerful politician having 10 different family members (or whatever the exact number is) who have no value other than their access to him get transferred multiple million $$ through shell accounts by foreign actors for no clear reason. And the narrative being, "Well, it is his family, not him, so nothing to see here."

The amount of cognitive dissonance to be outraged Clarence Thomas's mom was gifted a dumpy house, and be agnostic towards all this clear influence peddling is truly astounding. Yet here we are.
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07-12-2023 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
We went over this already. At least 2 vacations gifted to him by billionaire Democrat donors.

Also, LOL at a powerful politician having 10 different family members (or whatever the exact number is) who have no value other than their access to him get transferred multiple million $$ through shell accounts by foreign actors for no clear reason. And the narrative being, "Well, it is his family, not him, so nothing to see here."

The amount of cognitive dissonance to be outraged Clarence Thomas's mom was gifted a dumpy house, and be agnostic towards all this clear influence peddling is truly astounding. Yet here we are.
I don't remember going over this. When were these vacations? While he was in office? Were they made public knowledge at the time?

I'm not particularly outraged by CT's mother's house being paid for. The problem is that it wasn't disclosed, even though there was a disclosure method available. I also have a big problem with the SC not having to follow any rules.
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07-12-2023 , 08:26 PM
--Since he became President. Anyways, I am not making some argument this isn't how things generally work. I am just noting the partisan selective coverage and outrage.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/11/joe-hu...olina-mansion/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tic-donor.html

Of course my favorite ironic recent story which the MSM never noted is Hunter Biden taking a private jet to a child support hearing to (successfully) argue to significantly reduce payments because his income has taken a significant hit (since all the shell companies foreign agents were sending him money to were outed and shut down).

On one hand, taking a private jet to court to argue financial distress is not the greatest optic. On the other hand, we all know he didn't pay a cent for the jet, it was undoubtably courtesy of some wealthy Democratic donor.

Last edited by Dunyain; 07-12-2023 at 08:32 PM.
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07-12-2023 , 10:46 PM
Based on the news articles you just linked, the coverage and outrage is partisan and selective on both sides, as expected.

Of course neither is nearly as bad as Trump having vacations and events at properties he personally owned so he got actual cash income from the secret service, etc, having to rent from him.
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07-18-2023 , 04:59 PM
Noting partisan selective outrage and then linking a daily mail article is pretty lolz irony
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07-18-2023 , 08:40 PM
author Alison Stewart, recently spoke out about what she called Thomas’ misinterpretation of her work.

We are in a sad moment when cherry-picked information now passes as fact.

Stewart said she was “appalled that a book I’d written about the impact of education
was used to uphold the Supreme Court justice’s anti-affirmative action argument."

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white...tion-rcna94709
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