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09-19-2020 , 03:19 PM

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09-19-2020 , 03:24 PM

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Reminder that Graham is on video, multiple times, saying "if there is a vacancy in the last year of a Republican's first term I will not fill it":

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09-19-2020 , 03:37 PM

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On the contrary, I think it might be one of the very first things Democrats do if they somehow gain power after January. This is high stakes poker, nuclear war trading cities for cities. Trump and the Republicans have every incentive to arbitrarily decide the election 6-3 or 5-4 where the actual votes cast by 100-something million people don't matter, and Democrats have an incentive to undertake any and all means to ensure they don't just rely on fair elections and high and mighty ideals.

Who blinks first?

the Dem politicians do not have incentive. they dont care. this stuff doesnt effect them and in actuality creates more fervent support for them. but the first thing to realize is that the Dem Senators have no ideology other than supporting elites and corporate cartels. if John Q Senator's daughter gets knocked up by the local gang banger she is having no trouble getting an abortion. likewise, the Senator and his family is never going without health care or retirement. socialism for me, rugged exploitive capitalism for thee.

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09-19-2020 , 03:39 PM

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I hope I'm wrong. Because otherwise, that's the end of democracy in the United States as you know it.

Democracy been dead man. like some tweet I read said, "if a single election is the deciding factor between democracy and fascism, then democracy already dead." likewise, if a single Supreme Court Justice is the difference between deomcracy and whatever then democracy already dead.

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09-19-2020 , 03:40 PM

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These guys aren't hypocrites. They've been extremely consistent in that they will do and say whatever is advantageous to their side at the moment.

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09-19-2020 , 03:47 PM

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It's kinda funny the left saying the consequences of losing a election is an end to Democracy. It's also funny how so many lefties are all of sudden on Team Right circa 2015. The idea the left are not just as big of hypocrites is some serious rationalization and cognitive dissonance.

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09-19-2020 , 03:49 PM

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The idea the left are not just as big of hypocrites is some serious rationalization and cognitive dissonance according to some bullshit assertions I can't and won't substantiate

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09-19-2020 , 03:51 PM

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I also like how I have to defend the GOP, when I'm one of the few people who get the fact the left and right operate in their political interest, irrelevant of what's been done in the past.

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09-19-2020 , 03:56 PM

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I also like how I have to defend the GOP, when I'm one of the few people who get the fact the left and right operate in their political interest, irrelevant of what's been done in the past.

That's kinda the point, isn't it? The things the right has done are worse than the things the left has done, but you deliberately (and proudly!) ignore that to falsely equate the two, pretending all the while that plugging your ears and ignoring this history makes you smart.

Your whole idiotic argument here is "well sure the right has done these things, but I assert - and you must simply take my word for it - the left would have done the same in every instance! I am very intelligent and nonpartisan." LOL

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09-19-2020 , 04:01 PM

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Harry Reid.

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09-19-2020 , 04:05 PM

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Harry Reid.

If this is you saying "the left did something as bad as the right", lol, thanks for proving correct everything I wrote above. Much appreciated! 😂

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09-19-2020 , 04:18 PM

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Susan Collins seems to be a No?

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09-19-2020 , 04:25 PM

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Two more nos and we got something.

The retiring senators are the ones to watch I think. If one of them says no, it gets a lot more viable for Romney/Murk/someone else to say no.

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09-19-2020 , 04:37 PM

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Harry Reid.

What did he do, why did he do it, and why is it equivalent?

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09-19-2020 , 04:49 PM

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Trump with the hat trick.

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09-19-2020 , 04:57 PM

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If this is you saying "the left did something as bad as the right", lol, thanks for proving correct everything I wrote above. Much appreciated! 😂

He's been fed his talking points, and is now parroting them like a dutiful soldier.

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09-19-2020 , 05:03 PM

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Susan Collins seems to be a No?

She has to be a no with that statement. It's pretty clear that at least some of the GOP senators don't believe it is in their personal political interest to ram a candidate.

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09-19-2020 , 05:05 PM

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She has to be a no with that statement. It's pretty clear that at least some of the GOP senators don't believe it is in their personal political interest to ram a candidate.

Nah. She'll vote to confirm and give a speech about how it's unsettling that the vote happened.

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09-19-2020 , 05:19 PM

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She has to be a no with that statement. It's pretty clear that at least some of the GOP senators don't believe it is in their personal political interest to ram a candidate.

It's not the GOP that we have to worry about.

The Dems couldn't get a SCOTUS pick through when they had the president.

They're going to take it and they're going to like it. Although they may cry and say they only wanted a hug.

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09-19-2020 , 05:33 PM

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Susan Collins seems to be a No?

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Nah. She'll vote to confirm and give a speech about how it's unsettling that the vote happened.

100% what Wookie said. She's saying "I don't think the Senate should vote". She is not saying she will not partake in that vote should it occur. These people aren't idiots, the ones who bother trying to present themselves as having principles and not being brazen liars (i.e. not Cruz or Graham) are picking their words very carefully for a reason.

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09-19-2020 , 05:42 PM

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As long as it’s a go, she can beg lord Mitch for permission to vote no in return for another lifetime of servitude

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09-19-2020 , 06:52 PM

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Susan Collins is a principled woman and she will make her decision based on how she feels personally, without regard for politics. She'll either win re-election and be safe for six years, or she'll be voted out and free to do whatever she wants on her way out the door. I wouldn't assign a yes or no vote to her as it's a personal choice.

But, I do agree her vote won't have anything to do with procedure or precedence or that it's an election year. If she wants to vote yes she will simply ask McConnell to wait until after the election and then she'll give some wishy washy speech before voting with the rest of the Republicans.

Mitt Romney ... I would be shocked if he voted no. He loves conservative judges and it's his chance to reconcile himself with the Republican party.

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There's no reason to attack Collins just like there's no reason to attack Romney or McCain. They have voted with Democrats before. If you're a liberal, you just have to accept that there are other people in the world, many of them who don't agree with your point of view, but who still decent people with integrity and principles. I'd rather work with a moderate Republican who possesses those reliable traits you can compromise with, rather than a so-called liberal with a spine like Lindsey Graham. They will stab you in the back and turn on you whenever the political winds shift and you suddenly disagree.

These Collins posts are bizarre. We saw her behavior in the Kavanaugh hearings, where she gave a tortured speech to justify confirming him after previously laying out principles that would have prevented her from doing so. Her being "very concerned" about Trump/GOP excesses (while doing absolutely nothing about it) has become so laughably common it's now a meme. She is a political animal like the rest of them.

This is not based on the letter next to her name, it's based on her own actions. I have far more faith in someone like Lisa Murkowski than I do in Susan f-ing Collins' pathetic ass.

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09-19-2020 , 07:09 PM

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GOP primaries are over.

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09-19-2020 , 07:37 PM

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Nah. She'll vote to confirm and give a speech about how it's unsettling that the vote happened.

It isn't a question of whether she has real principles. She doesn't. It's a question of what she thinks is in her political self-interest.

If Susan Collins sticks to her guns and votes no, it won't improve my opinion of her. It will be evidence that she concluded it was in her political self-interest to vote no. Nothing more.

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09-19-2020 , 07:39 PM

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Huh? This is entirely in the hands of GOP senators. I will bet you any amount of money that every Democratic senator votes no if a nominee is put to a vote before the election. Seriously. Any amount of money.

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