I think you mean to say 40% of officer's families experience domestic abuse.

We are currently in negotiations, finalizing a trade deal with the CHAZWANDIAN Government. They will not simply be folded into NAFTA. PINPROP is the agreed-upon acronym: pizza for intellectual property.

Where are they shipping it in from?

direct from those fertile, pointy heads

They've got to be running low on spray paint also. Are there any NGO's on the ground that can facilitate replenishing graffiti-making supplies? Perhaps Blumont or IMPACT Initiatives can coordinate with Rust Oleum to make this happen. The Motto: "An f-word on every brick, or our land shall perish brick-by-brick"

Not very catchy, I wouldn't hold your breath for the royalties to start rolling in.

Too late, I've been holding my breath for a couple minutes now. Blue Faces Matter.

mother****er did you just rhyme brick with brick?

It wasn't meant as a rhyme; it's just a silly slogan... like 'Rama-Lama-Ding-Dong' or 'Give Peace a Chance'.

Ya put the eww maow maow ut ut oh oh back into my smile, child nutella

Sometimes he writes his rhymes at night and falls asleep... wakes up with new technique.

Ice T wrote that. I plagiarized the author of Cop Killer in a blue lives matter thread

because the freedom that the militarized police and national guard affords us, allows that to happen, all the while simultaneously feeding the conflicts that artists reflect back to society in their art.

wtmf? I dunno up from down anymore.

I'm aware the majority of black Americans vote democrat but don't tell me the American left or the American GOP lite aka Democrats aren't pushing a narrative because they most assuredly are. "Put y'all back in chains" isn't a narrative peddled by Biden? Or how you're not really black if you don't vote for some rich old white guy.
As in the guy who signed off on the violent crime act which led to increased incarceration and three strikes and you're out, again from the Dems. What parts of the community did that damage more? Disenfranchised low income minority communities. Did it have a huge impact on crime rates? Nope it had a modest impact. So more damage than good. Let's not forget welfare programmes which incentivises poverty because I saw the exact same thing happen in my own predominantly lily white neighbourhood where kids were plopping out kids and doing so deliberately to get more off the children's allowance book to go with their subsidized buggy and rent allowance. That's done to keep the lower class in their place over my way, to ensure they remain victims forever and over your way it's been done on segments of the black community. But that's not racist oh no. More white saviour bs so certain American white middle class liberals can feel morally superior to black people who they seem to regard as childlike simpletons instead of individuals and view them primarily by their race instead of the content of their character.



I have seen nothing but hyperbole in this forum from leftists as well as outright dishonesty. Rayshard was "executed" Trump called for the murder of African Americans police being referred to as a regime etc. So yeah it is hyperbole.

Furthermore I've seen black conservatives vilified mercilessly by the left, accused of being Uncle Toms or Aunt Jemimas, being told they're "token" or that they're "Bs grifters" because how dare black people have their own opinion and not follow a herd mentality. How dare they not go along with what their white saviours order them to.

So yeah there's very much narratives and hyperbole.

I pretty much agree re helplessness. It's why I saw guys I went to school with turn to crime or drug addiction and get into a bling gangster culture. I don't approve of such things but I do understand why some go that route.

And you nailed it with the part I embolded. As I said on another thread I was often stopped by police in my area from my mid teens to early 20s as were many of my peers. They'd ask where you were going, if you had drugs, weapons or anything sharp in your pockets and if you were civil and polite to them they'd be the same with you and would let you go on your way after searching you. Those who mouthed off or got in their face invited trouble. That's simply reality.

Despite having never called on the police for anything during my time on this planet, I agree that their lives matter, just as any other lives matter. They are a necessary evil, required to protect the most vulnerable members of our society from those who would victimise them. Or that's the idea, anyway. I am sure there is also a correlation between weak, scared individuals and admiration for the police.

Speaking of narratives--Do you think the Ds just dreamt up stuff like the 94 crime bill out of thin air?? They had the Rs hounding them constantly through the 80s+ as Soft on 'Inner City' Crime(read; black people) and the various other permutations of that phrase. And yet I've heard the story you're pushing in an almost constant stream in recent years. Do you remember the Rs putting up a big fight against it or something?? LOL No because it was what they wanted.

I like how you threw the welfare stuff in there at the end--let's Get Tough on those losers huh?. Hmm Sounds familiar You're a real piece of work bro.

Nobody is arguing that racism and bigotry don't exist in America.I personally haven't said anything about raging mobs either. But you're being way too simplistic. Americans are incapable of having a frank honest productive discussion about race and the socio/economic/cultural factors which fuels racism,preferring currently to adhere to narratives instead.

Anti Irish sentiments was mentioned earlier itt and as an Irish person I can certainly identify with bigotry directed at others be they black Jewish Muslim gay or whoever. But leftist American perceptions of racism appears to be whitey bad and all cops bad and all black people killed by cops is due to racism that's all she wrote and that's bs as there are far more factors at play here.

I inked earlier a "NO IRISH need apply" job advert from 2012 in Australia. As an Irish person I also recognise the context- the employer was probably pissed off at Irish people bs'ng they could do a skilled job when they couldn't hence his exasperation as well as the economic reasons my fellow Irish felt the need to bs to gain employment. Those are the issues which need to be examined instead of me decrying prejudice and leaving it at that.

I also linked anti Irish sentiment in England which was partially due to the IRA committing acts of mass murder. So such context needs to be examined instead of simply decrying such sentiments and leaving it at that.


When I was researching the CP5 case mentioned on another thread I saw nothing but tribalism from the majority of Americans arguing for either innocence or guilt, most of it being based on race. White racists referring to them as "thugs", "subhumans" or "dindoonuffins" and black racists referring to the prosecution and anyone who opined guilt as "devils" which seems to be just as much a "racist dog whistle" as "thugs" as well as denigrating the victim for her arrogance of jogging in a park thinking she was untouchable. Was the actual evidence discussed? Hellz no cuz it's all about which racial camp you're in.

You have white racists thinking every police shooting is justified if the victim is black and leftist commentators ignoring white people killed by the cops and lumping in the likes of Michael Brown shot after trying to snatch a gun from a cop with George Floyd. Basically context is thrown out the window in favour of narratives.

The fact that the majority of black people shot by the cops seem to be primarily young black males from low income areas is ignored also. Or that some of them have had criminal records which certainly doesn't justify shootings or police brutality but gives a sense of context as to why some people- black and white- come into contact with the police to begin with as I've never heard of black pensioners being killed by the cops for example or squeaky clean young black men. (and I'm not saying that'snever happened either but consistent patterns are ignored, the same patterns I've see in my own original mainly white neighbourhood)

You all also seem to see black people by their colour first whether you're a racist who sees them as crims or a leftist who sees them all as victims.
Which I've been subjected to. When I was growing up I never wanted to be seen as a "deprived area" person by simpering liberal do gooders just so they could feel good about themselves and superior to me. Nor did I want to be seen as a criminal, a thug a thief or a drug dealer due to my "deprived area" status.
I wanted to be seen as a person and judged on my merits and flaws just like those from nicer areas. Rather than by my class and the same thing is happening with black people over your way. But for this to happen I have to have a sense of personal responsibility and recognise that individual members of my community made things bad for me and led to such attitudes as well as recognising the context- the sense of being disenfranchised and futility and hopelessness- that led to members of my community making it bad for the rest of us.

I am not an inherent victim because of my class and I'm sure there's lots of black people who don't wish to be see as inherent victims or criminals due to their race. Because it's patronizing condescending bs And it's dangerously counterproductive because it's led to policies from the American "left" that seem designed to keep minorities from having self determination as well as a one sided narrative leading to the growth of the alt right.

I actually understand and can identify with these issues more than you might think. But if you guys can't have open honest discussions about the myriad of issues which has led you to this juncture then you're doomed to forever be in a vicious circle. And that won't help any of you or your society or successive generations.

FYI - tame_deuces is European, Norwegian I believe (might be mistaken there, but pretty sure not American).

0 Whatevs mate not interested in your bs narrative. I've no problem with unemployment assistance where if you're unfortunate enough to lose your job via layoffs you have a safety net to help you while you seek employment rather than a sink or swim ethos.
But I've also seen successive generations of a minority of low income neighbourhood residents go straight to the dole office soon as they hit 18 due to their parents or parent doing the exact same thing. And deliberately getting pregnant in their teens.I used to work for a welfare rights organisation and saw many who came in simply looking for a loophole or angle to buck the system and all of them were white Irish with a sense of entitlement because that's all they'd ever known. Which in turn led to perceptions of everyone from a crappy area being either a criminal or a victim or a savvy chancer, including me being either one or the others.

So I've every right to point out the inherent wrongness of such policies which are designed to keep you in your place and encourage you to have no aspirations or desire to better yourself because it's effected my community and led to resentment from the majority of my fellow neighbours who preferred to work and better themselves, just as the silent majority of those in American low income neighbourhoods wish to better themselves.

You haven't a clue which makes you part of the problem.

I'm not just referring to him but fair enough also

My point is simpler. For a long, long time a lot of people of minority groups, especially blacks, in the US have told others that they are afraid of the police or that contact with the police is uncomfortable or even dangerous to them. This isn't a point that suddenly cropped up, it isn't the emotional outburst of a mob and it isn't a person looking for a narrative. The story has been straightforward and consistent. It's not everyone, but the story is certainly suspiciously common.

It's people telling you that despite innocence and have done nothing wrong, they are afraid of the police due to the color of their skin. Neither is it restricted to people who are living in "poor neighborhoods" or are "young males".

And telling these stories is using agency. Telling others of a problem is how we're supposed to get it on the agenda and fix them in a civilized society.

"Left" or "right" is irrelevant. The point is that innocent people should not be afraid of their own law enforcement (and ideally if you want to solve crime effectively, most guilty people shouldn't either, but that is another discussion). I don't see it as very likely that these stories are the result of some collective hysteria.

And if you want to reduce crime rates in poor minority neighborhoods, this is probably one of the first points on the agenda you should start with. People who have reason to fear the police will be far less likely to contact the police, they will be far less likely to trust the police and they certainly won't trust the police to keep them safe. Remember that it isn't just "poverty in an area contribute to higher crime rates", the relationship is very much a feedback loop.

No there's other reasons involved. In low income higher crime rate neighbourhoods in general there's also a"don't rat" mentality in case you incur the wrath of your criminal neighbours who if you're lucky will merely spray paint "RAT" or "SNITCH" on your home and if you're less lucky they'll hurl a petrol bomb through your window or shoot up your home or beat the bejasus outa you or attack your kids while they're going to school. When I moved to a nicer middle class area a friend visiting from my old neighbourhood actually joked "Jasus if anything ever happens round here, you'll be able to call the cops with nobody screaming rat at ya, the ones round here will be all like well done old chap good for you!" and we both had a chuckle
This is also a factor and in America it occurred in Italian American neighbourhoods and Irish American neighbourhoods which is why the likes of John Gotti and Whitey Bolger were able to commit crimes with impunity for so long. So I'm sure the same thing happens in lower income neighbourhoods that happen to be black

A friend of mine was murdered last year gunned down while going to work. It's known locally who did it or at least strongly suspected but his two murderers haven't been brought to justice due to the neighbourhood omerta kicking in. So it's not just a case of minorities fearing the cops because they're racist so again you're being too simplistic here, sorry.

I never said distrust of the police among minorities was restricted to lower income neighbourhoods or again that racism doesn't exist in America. But distrust of the police or unwillingness to engage with them is not solely due to the reasons you claim either.

Dude it's not a 'narrative' to point out that the black community votes D and whatever bs you were saying about psychic powers lol. Yes there are a tiny % of black people who vote R but that doesn't change the larger truth. And it's not a 'narrative' to say so. It's just called reality.

Your version of a safety net i.e. only unemployment would be a complete ****show and quite frankly would cause way more damage. It doesn't account for other realities in society--it starts from the assumption that 100% employment is standard for one lol. Things are not always perfect and trying to base policy around the ideal conditions wrt employment, the economy etc is simply not tied to reality.

Here's basically how that idea would've played out in the South over the years. So they have to have a job first?? lol Then we just won't ever hire them(and if we do it'll just be for low wage **** jobs--oops never mind that already happened )--easy game. You seriously don't think racism would be Far worse in those conditions? If not you're dreaming. Fixing problems requires addressing the root causes(single moms/teen pregnancy/absent fathers etc etc) and until we do that the problems will stick around. Getting some 9$/hr part-time job isn't magically going to fix all these issues my man. And these things don't exist in vacuums they're tied to a whole host of other complex issues.

No saying that the cops are seen as enemies by "people of colour" all several million of them and presumably LE POC as well is bs, lol

It's not "my" version. Ireland does have that safety net as do someother European countries and it doesn't cause untold damage. When you gain employment you pay "stamps" which contributes to your receiving unemployment assistance if you're unlucky enough to lose your job.
But if you decide to have a kid in your teens without even bothering to look for work you get everything handed to you on a plate from buggies to fridges to rent allowance to medical cards and this has caused damage as it's led to generational families getting handouts and resentment among those who choose to look for work.

Now whether that safety net works for America is a different thing altogether as it's a different country with a different outlook. But it's certainly not a complete $hytshow over my way by and large, even if the system is abused by some the way corporate loopholes are abused by some at the other end of the spectrum.

But abuse of the system does lead to damage in lower income communities over my way and in some ways it's designed that way again to keep people in their place. And it's done by Dems in America to garner lower income votes and due to the crappy American race situation in particular, as a form of racism to keep some segments of the black community "in their place".

And more and more black Americans are realising this which is why some black conservatives refer to leaving the Dems as leaving the plantation, hence the constant leftist demonizing of black conservatives.

"incentivises poverty"

loooool

A lot of the resentment you see amongst people in the UK(and likely Ireland) is decidedly average lower middle class people with kids of their own sneering down their noses at lower class families whose parents don't have jobs. I kind of get it, they see themselves as above the lower class family, because they have the good fortune to be working for their lot; but at the same time they have roughly the same outcomes, so feel bitter towards those who can't/don't work at all, hence this nonsense about a class that doesn't want to work/are "freeloaders".