i mean he had killed himself already.... LUL

FYP?

What are you talking about? We have been kissing cops butts and placating them forever. That clearly does not get them to stop murdering people.

Oh no, the racists have lost the culture war?

Better hold on to those pearls tight!

What is a valid criticism of a general ideology that black people’s lives are not worth less than other people?

I support blue lives too. You need to learn how to read.

Good ol murica the boiling frog of the world

It wasn't all that long ago that Irish immigrants here were put on basically equivalent footing as black people. Go take a look at some of the old anti-Irish cartoons. Soon enough though they were able/allowed to assimilate and access that better life(along with others) while black people were still denied. To pretend racism wasn't a big part of it or that it's not still an issue is just not being honest.

Well I have a few problems with BLM

1) I have no idea where the money goes, so I will never even consider donating to them until I feel their transparency meets my satisfaction

2) I don't fault them, but I think they share blame in the fact that the Black vote chose Biden over Sanders, and that preference aside, the younger voter turnout has not increased. Which may have also ended getting Sanders chosen over Biden as well

3) I thought they were more organized than Wikipedia implies. They should be more organized than Wikipedia implies (chapters in all states, a national structure of some sort...not loosely affiliated chapters wherever enough people give a ****). Their current structure gives ammo to people to call them Antifa. We should not want that. We want it to be clear who BLM is so that they specifically cannot be lumped in with Antifa and there be careless/deliberate association by detractors of all sorts

Your question about ideology isn't a meaningful question. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees all lives matter. itshot's point about not allowing criticism of BLM is valid imo. The problem is this type of characterization shouldn't be used as a blanket statement like it is similar to how Kelhus calls left leaning media, even reputable ones, as propaganda

Yes, there are lots who aren't capable of taking criticism, nor have a balanced and/or reasonable approach to taking it, but the perceived "left" are not monolithic and it would be nice if those critiquing it didn't argue as if it were

That said, there should be scrutiny. Although some scrutiny looks laughable as it is obvious some don't really know wtf they're talking about, or reveal their ignorance within their curiosity (not always necessarily a bad thing), there should be scrutiny nonetheless...

As an Irish person I was never aware of that, never saw Irish jokes on 80s tv as a kid, had no inkling of the No Irish No Blacks No Dogs signs in the 70s
https://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&t...1n&sclient=img
Or the help wnated no Irish need apply signs
https://www.google.ie/search?q=help+...biw=1366&hl=en

Or anti Irish hysteria after IRA bombings in the 70s, 80s and mid 90s due to ordinary Irish getting tarred with the same brush as terrorist Irish, https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-manc...06725-May2017/
thanks for letting me know mate.

And no it wasn't all that long ago as it was still going on in 2012, a mere eight years ago
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/au...2405-237434871

So again thanks for educating me

Also- this:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...0&postcount=99
So I reckon we're good

Oh I read what you wrote Tef such as this
It does matter. Maybe not to you but it does to others.

As well as this

Oh it's wholly relevant. Maybe to you it isn't but it is to others

Not to mention this
You either have gnarly psychic powers that gives you the power to read millions of people's minds or else POC in America- every single one of them have a hive mind and aren't individuals, hence your confident assertion,,,or else you're simply running with a popular narrative.

Trust me everyone knows racism exists in America on a level that quite frankly boggles the mind and only a complete idiot or flat out liar would argue otherwise.

But the way some people are going on you'd swear America 2020 is actually akin to Germany circa 1933. Which is a loada me bollix, sorry.

So yeah I can read, have read what you said and I disagree with you hence my answer highlighting my disagreement with you. Blue lives do matter to me, just like black lives matter to me and issues of police brutality matter to me, so I'll continue to express my support for blue lives on a thread entitled "in support of blue lives" regardless of how others feel about this.

This is fashion and a bs generalization.

A more apt analogy for the glaringly contentious neighborhoods in America than just attributing it to mystery or osmosis, is that of the adversarial Israeli/Palestinian relationship. It is borne out of the disenfranchisement of one party (cultural factors, too, but that would require its own thread) and the resultant desperation and despair. Jihad, martyrdom and death-by-cop have the same motivation: helplessness. A fulfilled, optimistic individual is not fronting belligerently with anyone, let alone those authorized to use deadly force, should certain conditions arise.

If these protests were of the same scale and intensity, but rather for economic justice, I'd be behind it, and it would actually produce positive change. But this bs targeting of police will achieve nothing positive.

A large part of your minority community (and many others) have told you for a century and half about this problem, they have never been silent about it and they have told you that the problem still goes deep. Many of the leaders of this movement have been deeply respected men and women.

Don't pretend that it just suddenly cropped up in the heads of an irrational mob incapable of perspective and introspection. That is just a convenient excuse. People have been telling you about this for years, and they have done so when there were no mass demonstrations in the streets as well. In fact many of the leaders of these movements have warned about the dangers of doing nothing and reaching a boiling point.

That there are also factors such as poverty and disadvantage has not been omitted either. Again, this sounds like a very convenient excuse to ignore the problem and pretend it is about some raging mob.

A problem was left to fester. People have been talking about it for a long time, not enough happened and a lot of people got angry. It's a story about as old as civilization.

yeah it's reasoned behavior

read again, friend

it's borne of desperation and despair

jfc people

a problem was left to fester, right... these communities have had zero ability to self-actualize, so I'm led to believe, for oppression

now they do... get with community organizers in CHAZ, petition the plutocrat philanthropists, and demonstrate for us all how it's done, absent the police presence.. or stfu

yet here you are, making an argument on how to correct it. God bless the optimists.

When the people at the top don't even know what blm means then it's no wonder most of the population is clueless af

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/polit...ter/index.html

This Is The Day Mike Pence Became Vice President

I find all this quite a fascinating take from the lefties basically saying the police force is beyond repair (when this appears to be a very few bad eggs on the force and on the whole can be fixed if reforms are put in place) when they are, very often, the only line of defence in other social problems that exist in today's society that they out of the left and right side of politics care about the most which is the abuse of women and children in violent family relationships.

Research suggests that family violence is two to four times higher in the law-enforcement community than in the general population

If you want to help the victims of domestic abuse, sounds like you advocate getting rid of the law-enforcement community?

Um 40% of domestic abuse happens in families of officers. So I'm not sure if that's the best way to make your point, unless your point is to be a muppet

http://womenandpolicing.com/violenceFS.asp

At the end of the day police aren't the only ****ed up enterprise going on. But they're the ones with the guns so maybe that's an issue

Well I'd like to see that as a stat multiplied across the nation as I highly doubt 40% of domestic violence cases occur in families of police officers.

CHAZ spent its entire multi-Billion dollar Soros/Bloomberg endowment, ordering Dominos pizza from a neighboring nation. The very best minds were adequately fueled for the task of re-imaging society.

If you were a black person would you throw in with the guys who openly support/pander to every type of white supremacist and regular old everyday racists? If you actually knew any black Americans you'd know that the Vast majority want nothing to do with the Republicans. Of course there are a few here and there--but they are pretty damn rare. And the official numbers bear that out. It's not a narrative--it's reality. Hanging out among any group of trump supporters/Rs and it is incredibly common to hear pretty shocking levels of racism--and that's not hyperbole. This is how you hear mild-mannered accountants etc talking like they're in a prison gang It's really not that complicated.

I can't help you if you're not going to read even the first paragraph where families of police officers are 2-4 times more likely to be victims than the american families in general, or that their crimes often get covered up. The study isn't done in every pd department, but also isn't restricted to just one.

This is prolly the most education you've ever had, so I can see your hesitation to read something more than 140 characters at a time