You can say this about teachers as well again the Union.

Also the amount of training is suspect and ongoing training. Once your on the force and completed your probation how much training do cops get?

Isn't it against the law in most states to strike as a public employee?

If so, I feel these walkouts are criminal neglect.

OK, so, uh, this is an admission that just straight blows up your point. If it is, as you say, that any criticism of BLM has always been called racist, then that obviously contradicts your assertion that the sudden shift in favorability for BLM is due to any criticism of it being called racist. BLM was pretty unpopular years ago when the condition you asserted was necessary for its popularity was still true.

Precisely because they cover up for their own bad apples, yes.

I'm sure they'll be quick to arrest themselves.

So much for law and order...

There is a pretty big problem with this type of counter-argument. I'll share an anecdote to help illustrate it:

A few years ago, in the midst of confronting my former parents about the abuses they perpetrated, I was met with "look at all the good things we did".

The issue is, it doesn't matter how many good things you do, those don't heal or make up for the bad things, you still have the untreated and unaccounted for damage.

The reality is, there has been bad things done, despite the vast disagreements on the extent, and what constitutes bad. I don't think it warrants the vitriol, violence, tactics, or dehumanization that's occurred, but this type of argument is also fanning the flames. Yeah, not all cops are bad, but the good ones don't really make up for the ones who damaged. Those good things don't make up for the bad things.

Smudgie jacking off the cops isn't very libertarian

I've no idea what comment of mine you're responding to although I'm assuming it's my first.

No the majority of cops are actually good just like the majority of people living in high crime neighbourhoods are decent and just trying to get by. You could make that argument for any large body. All teachers are crap, all priests are paedos, all soldiers are kill crazy psychos etc. The minority always make it bad for the majority. I saw that in my own original neighbourhood which had a heavy police presence due a minority of criminal track suit garbed skangers who ruined it for the rest of the law abiding community as a whole.

The good cops don't actually need to make up for the bad ones in a personal individual sense as the bad ones face consequences, such as Derek Chauvin or else get rightfully incarcerated like Daniel Holtzclaw. The good cops do their jobs properly.

Pointing out good cops has nothing to do with dealing with the bad cops, or the damage they cause. It's a red herring, and buying into the premise of either BLM or the cops, i.e. us versus them.

Who had that video of the cop shooting the unarmed 16 year old in the head while he was running away and his partner said 'good shot'.

That would be good itt.

No it isn't it's simply a truism. Bad cops are dealt with. It's why the likes of Holtzclaw is currently serving 263 years by way of a for instance.

Showing the good cops does not do anything to further the argument against bad cops doing bad things and not being held to account for them.

But they are held to account for them. It's one of the reasons they have an Internal Affairs division. It's why the Golden State Killer was fired for shoplifting and Gerald Schaefer was arrested for kidnapping & murder and why Antoinette Frank is on death row and Len Davis is doing life- because they're held accountable precisely for being bad cops.

If you define "bad cops" as simply the ones that commit the worst high-profile murders, then sure, they're not always convicted but at least they're usually fired. For cops that aren't unfortunate enough to get a national spotlight shined on them, this isn't clear at all and you have a bit of work to do to show otherwise.

The Buffalo cop I mentioned earlier was fired after trying to stop a bad cop from choking a man to death. She lost her pension. The bad cop she tried to protect the public from went on to do bad cop things for years, and retired on his own volition, before being put in jail for 4 months in 2018 due to a separate 2009 use of force incident (I also found an undated report that he was suspended for assaulting another officer at some point afterwards).

That guy seems like a bad cop. Not only was he not dealt with, but the people who tried to stop him were stamped out.

But he was dealt with if he was imprisoned. Is there an us vs them mentality which leads to a kinda blue omerta? I reckon that's very very probable but again no different than other large bodies. Should this be condoned? Absolutely not. But it's not indicative of the police force as a body as a whole and nobody knew Deangelo was a serial killer at the time- again he was fired for shoplifting at the time.

This guy was fired for simply being very unprofessional and mouthing off in an inappropriate manner. Hardly a high profile murderer

Hahahahaha o wow. A local paper did some good work on investigating crimes committed by cops in California last year and published a database of police officers that had been convicted of crimes. Here's what they found:

Being allowed to continue as a bad cop for years, retiring with a pension, and then getting a 4 month jail sentence years after you stopped terrorizing the streets that allows you to keep said pension = "dealt with"? hahahahahaha, o wow

Yes dealt with.Maybe not dealt with proportionately or to your personal satisfaction but dealt with nonetheless. Cops also have powerful unions like most public service jobs (they're powerful over my way anyway) who very probably act in a reflexive manner by rote the way most powerful unions do. Again there was no tolerance for the cop whose behaviour I just linked. You'll never be satisfied on disciplinary procedures anyway due to your dislike of cops and the police force as an institution, so nothing will be enough for you.

You'll never be satisfied that bad cops aren't dealt with anyway due to your love of cops and the police force as an institution, so nothing will be enough for you.

Which again isn't indicative of the police force as a whole for the United States of America. Hence the mention in your piece of "a small percentage" and caveat regarding the weakest laws in the country and we could go back and forth on this forever, it's not going definitively prove your stance or disprove mine due to the fact that your country's frickin' huge with many different PD's to go with many different standards of practice & jurisdictions.

If there was a uniform policy and this was consistent all across the board your point would be ore valid but there isn't so it's not.

I neither love nor hate cops (it would depend on the individual cop) and I neither love nor hate the police force as an institution, I simply recognise its necessity. When the human race- all 7 billion of us- stop committing crimes then the institution won't be necessary but until that fabled hallowed day comes, they're necessary regardless of your personal dislike for them. Can they do with reform? Absolutely, again like any large fallible human institution.

But neither all cops or the institution as a whole are the horrible boogeymen you and some others seem to think they are any more than they're all paragons of virtue.

Go out and protest if you feel that badly about it and it's such a burning issue over your way.

Bolded is pretty important, isn't it? There is no "police force as a whole" in this country, and it seems pretty clear that in many of our independent jurisdictions bad cops are not dealt with, whereas you argued it's "simply a truism" that they are. In this case, one of those jurisdictions with the "weakest laws" you acknowledge contains more than half as many people as the entire British Isles. How many tens of millions of people must live under regimes where bad police are not dealt with before you acknowledge that mayyyyyybe there's a slight problem with the code of silence?

Actually there's plenty such as Federal LE agencies. It is a truism that they are, otherwise you'd have zero cops being disciplined/fired and/or incarcerated and there wouldn't be an Internal Affairs division. And yes I'd agree that some aren't dealt with the way they should be but others are so again we could go round and round forever Goofy. There's no smoking gun gotcha here from either of our positions.

Regimes? Hyperbole doesn't help your position here. You get code of silences everywhere, that's just human nature as people tend to prefer not to get involved in such things and a swings n roundabouts mentality is also prevalent.
It's why people in jobs as a whole tend to cover for each other or not "rat out" a colleague coming in late or leaving early on the night shift or taking longer than they should on lunch or popping out for a smoke on company time for example.
Equate that to an occupation where you might need to trust your colleague with your life and such a mentality will be even stronger-again human nature, right or wrong.

But it's simply untrue to presume that no bad cops are dealt with just as it's untrue to presume that all of them are.