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05-13-2020 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
Yeah, arguing against existence of the deep state when they basically present irrefutable evidence of it is indeed humorous.
This is gibberish.

I see nobody addressed how right wing media covered THE CARAVAN around the clock up until the second the 2018 midterms were over.
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05-13-2020 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
Braindead morons calling people dumb always amuses me.
nobody tell joe. he's starting to figure out why we all haven't put him on ignore. he's becoming self aware..
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05-13-2020 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
I mean yeah of course I would because Barr has zero credibility, is a notorious corrupt liar dating back to Iran-Contra and is destroying the DOJ.
So, you are good with the methods of Flynn investigation, handling of the Hillary/Podesta Steele dossier, the FISA warrants, Comey referrals, McCabe lies, Clapper lies, MSM falsehoods compared to sworn testimony, Schiff evidence that was no evidence at all,...?
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05-13-2020 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
This is gibberish.
It's not gibberish when you consider that this is being represented as a survey or poll, and you have close to 2,000 former DoJ "officials" willing to get in the way of an investigation that uncovered quite a bit of improper conduct.
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05-14-2020 , 12:31 AM
Why would Biden need to unmask General Flynn anyway? What would the Vice President need that information for, a few weeks before they leave office?
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05-14-2020 , 12:36 AM
Are all you on the left in here also ok with all the unmasking requests made by Obama's staff between the election and Trump's inauguration? You do realize unmasking members of the opposing transition team is pretty much starting a political war right?
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05-14-2020 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
Former DOJ officials. What's the bet they are all democrats?
Lot of republicans hate Trump. They were involved in this spying and abuse of power.
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05-14-2020 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by beastalamode
Are all you on the left in here also ok with all the unmasking requests made by Obama's staff between the election and Trump's inauguration? You do realize unmasking members of the opposing transition team is pretty much starting a political war right?
I was expecting people like Clapper and Rice to be involved in these unmasking requests. They might have legitimate claims to (they don't though cause they admit they have 0 evidence of collusion), but to see someone like Biden is unmasking Flynn too? I have zero clue why a vice president would need access to a US general conversation when he is about to leave office.
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05-14-2020 , 02:34 AM
Comeys bullshit Hilary announcement on the run up to the election totally a legitimate act?
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05-14-2020 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Jsmith27
The President thought Flynn lied to Pence. It is not even clear if he did, or if he misremembered or forgot something.

Ya, but the russians didn't influence the election for some quid pro quo with Trump. That is fake news. The transcripts from the Obama administration tell you all you need to know about that. They have "0 evidence" of it.

Trump didn't obstruct justice. Why can't a president tell the FBI director to drop something? They were going after Flynn for nothing. Comey was the one who was abusing power and trying to entrap a innocent man who served our country for 30 years.

Flynn was high up in his administration. He wasn't some random jerk who Trump sort of knew. He was someone like Kavanaugh who the Obama administration did everything in their power to railroad. Obama tried to tell him not to hire Flynn. Then they used the intelligence department to try to send him to jail. They leaked the phone call to get him fired. They abused his constitutional rights, by unmasking him in that phone call. They spied on him illegally. Thats why he was exonerated and people in the Obama admin will face charges for this.

Trump JR met with a woman from russia. True. It was a set up by the Obama admin.
Yeah Dinopoker is adept at regurgitating left wing narratives.
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05-14-2020 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Zeus
Comeys bullshit Hilary announcement on the run up to the election totally a legitimate act?
No it wasn’t right actually. So you are ok with TRUMP firing Comey then right?
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05-14-2020 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by beastalamode
Are all you on the left in here also ok with all the unmasking requests made by Obama's staff between the election and Trump's inauguration? You do realize unmasking members of the opposing transition team is pretty much starting a political war right?
According to the political poll posted in another thread, I am not on the left. But I'll answer anyway.

Intelligence surveillance of a Russian official picked up a call from a member of a political campaign who tried to sell very high-stakes political favors that ran contrary to congress-approved foreign policy / sanctions. As per custom, this is put into a briefing (or similar document) where name of this campaign member is made anonymous. It was feared that this political operative had opened himself up to blackmail, by breaking the law and admitting it to high-profiled Russian players.

According to you, the correct thing to do by the WH administration after having seen this document, was to completely ignore it.

What was done, was to formally request the name be unsealed and there-after inform the political campaign what was happening, and also inform them that said political operative was lying to his campaign about his dealings. No public announcement was made at this point and no leaks occurred, so there was no public embarrassment to the campaign.

Again, according to you (and others in this thread) this is apparently the worst political scandal in US history and a heinous crime.
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05-14-2020 , 08:18 AM
A perjury charge for testifying under oath that he lied and then saying he didn't. The poor satirist don't stand a chance vs real life anymore.

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A US judge has signalled reluctance to allow the Department of Justice to drop its criminal prosecution of Michael Flynn, tasking a retired judge with advising on whether the former Trump administration official should face an additional criminal contempt charge for perjury.

In a short written order, the US district judge Emmet Sullivan in Washington asked John Gleeson, a former federal judge in New York, to present arguments in the case as an amicus curiae, or friend of the court.

Sullivan said he was seeking Gleeson’s recommendation on whether Flynn should face a criminal contempt charge for perjury because he testified under oath that he was guilty of lying to the FBI but then reversed course and said he had never lied.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ntempt-perjury
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05-14-2020 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Jsmith27
Trump didn't obstruct justice. Why can't a president tell the FBI director to drop something?
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05-14-2020 , 10:58 AM
I'm 100% confident every single derper talking about UNMASKING has no idea what that means
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05-14-2020 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
According to the political poll posted in another thread, I am not on the left. But I'll answer anyway.

Intelligence surveillance of a Russian official picked up a call from a member of a political campaign who tried to sell very high-stakes political favors that ran contrary to congress-approved foreign policy / sanctions. As per custom, this is put into a briefing (or similar document) where name of this campaign member is made anonymous. It was feared that this political operative had opened himself up to blackmail, by breaking the law and admitting it to high-profiled Russian players.

According to you, the correct thing to do by the WH administration after having seen this document, was to completely ignore it.

What was done, was to formally request the name be unsealed and there-after inform the political campaign what was happening, and also inform them that said political operative was lying to his campaign about his dealings. No public announcement was made at this point and no leaks occurred, so there was no public embarrassment to the campaign.

Again, according to you (and others in this thread) this is apparently the worst political scandal in US history and a heinous crime.
Do you think Biden's reply to the questions a day before is problematic?
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05-14-2020 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by beastalamode
Are all you on the left in here also ok with all the unmasking requests made by Obama's staff between the election and Trump's inauguration? You do realize unmasking members of the opposing transition team is pretty much starting a political war right?


But even ignoring that and pretending like unmasking works how you mistakenly think it does; If I'm an incoming president and a member of my transition team is actually working for foreign agents and is lying to me and other members of my team about it, I would be incredibly thankful to the outgoing administration if they alerted me to that fact!!!
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05-14-2020 , 11:42 AM


Deep State judge!!!!!!!
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05-14-2020 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
According to the political poll posted in another thread, I am not on the left. But I'll answer anyway.

Intelligence surveillance of a Russian official picked up a call from a member of a political campaign who tried to sell very high-stakes political favors that ran contrary to congress-approved foreign policy / sanctions. As per custom, this is put into a briefing (or similar document) where name of this campaign member is made anonymous. It was feared that this political operative had opened himself up to blackmail, by breaking the law and admitting it to high-profiled Russian players.

According to you, the correct thing to do by the WH administration after having seen this document, was to completely ignore it.

What was done, was to formally request the name be unsealed and there-after inform the political campaign what was happening, and also inform them that said political operative was lying to his campaign about his dealings. No public announcement was made at this point and no leaks occurred, so there was no public embarrassment to the campaign.

Again, according to you (and others in this thread) this is apparently the worst political scandal in US history and a heinous crime.
This is the proper assessment of this Investigation.


In no world, or reality, WOULD or SHOULD an investigation NOT be conducted of the Trump campaign based on the information that was coming in via the proper channels (bottom up). This is incontrovertible fact.

The biggest danger in all of this, is that Trump and his DOJ's efforts put a chilling effect on future FBI needed investigations and the Heads of the FBI simply won't touch it.

Put Trump aside and imagine a future POTUS campaign that evidence comes in is being supported by China and has strong and potentially illegal ties to China who is also KNOWN to be meddling in the campaign.

It may turn out to be a big nothing burger but the FBi won't know UNLESS they investigate. If the ACT of investigating is then demonized by that winning POTUS and said to be wrong simply for taking place, that is wrong.

The investigation NEEDS to happen. An investigation that happens and finds nothing wrong happened is not an investigation that should not have happened. .
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05-14-2020 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
This is the proper assessment of this Investigation.


In no world, or reality, WOULD or SHOULD an investigation NOT be conducted of the Trump campaign based on the information that was coming in via the proper channels (bottom up). This is incontrovertible fact.

The biggest danger in all of this, is that Trump and his DOJ's efforts put a chilling effect on future FBI needed investigations and the Heads of the FBI simply won't touch it.

Put Trump aside and imagine a future POTUS campaign that evidence comes in is being supported by China and has strong and potentially illegal ties to China who is also KNOWN to be meddling in the campaign.

It may turn out to be a big nothing burger but the FBi won't know UNLESS they investigate. If the ACT of investigating is then demonized by that winning POTUS and said to be wrong simply for taking place, that is wrong.

The investigation NEEDS to happen. An investigation that happens and finds nothing wrong happened is not an investigation that should not have happened. .
Theres your issue. There was NO evidence of collusion. The call that Flynn had with the Russian Ambassador was a completely standard call. Trump never colluded with Russia. The Obama admin KNEW there was 0 Evidence of it. Your whole post is based on the premise that there was evidence to start a investigation, but there wasn't any, based on the testimonies of the people who were involved in this.

They were investigating the people, not a crime. It was a complete abuse of power and I want to know, the evidence you feel warranted spying on them.
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05-14-2020 , 12:20 PM
I haven't even seen sufficient evidence that Russia wanted Trump to win. I don't think Russia had any influence. Just because some Russian bots posted about our election, doesn't mean Putin was trying to steal an election for Trump. A lot of Trump decisions have actually hurt Russia, while Obama admin/Hillary would have a much more predictable stance towards Russia. When you are a world leader and a new president is being elected, you would want that person to be predictable, anyone who is an expert at game theory knows that. Trump is completely unpredictable at the point of his election. Hillarys agenda is completely known to be a follow up of Obamas policies.

I still think Seth Rich leaked the Podesta emails. and while Russia and China and many other countries probably hacked that information, I believe it was a democrat person who is at the center of what they blamed the Russians for. A Brave, Proud American in Seth Rich. A Bernie Sanders supporter, put his life on the line, to let people know the truth, by leaking Podesta emails to wikileaks, now he is dead. His murder is an unsolved mystery. Marked down as murder/stealing, but the "robber" never took Seth Rich' stuff. More likely this is a political killing.



Crowdstrike, the security organization that investigated the "hacking" admits under oath they don't know if Russia actually hacked the information. Wikileaks has said they have evidence that Seth Rich leaked that information to them. This was one of the main basis of the investigation into Russia "helping" Trump
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05-14-2020 , 12:25 PM


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05-14-2020 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jsmith27
Theres your issue. There was NO evidence of collusion. The call that Flynn had with the Russian Ambassador was a completely standard call. Trump never colluded with Russia. The Obama admin KNEW there was 0 Evidence of it. Your whole post is based on the premise that there was evidence to start a investigation, but there wasn't any, based on the testimonies of the people who were involved in this.

They were investigating the people, not a crime. It was a complete abuse of power and I want to know, the evidence you feel warranted spying on them.
You do not KNOW if their evidence until you investigate.

It is absolutely appropriate to investigate and find 'there is no evidence to proceed' or 'there is evidence to proceed'. You guys keep MISTAKENLY assuming if the investigation determines it was a nothing burger then the investigation was not warranted.
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05-14-2020 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jsmith27
I haven't even seen sufficient evidence that Russia wanted Trump to win. ..
Haha. Well that pretty much says all that needs to be said about you and your ability to be objective.


"...Russian President Vladimir Putin says he favored Donald Trump because he talked about bringing the Russian relationship back to normal...."

Putin says he wanted Trump to win the presidential election
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05-14-2020 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
You do not KNOW if their evidence until you investigate.

It is absolutely appropriate to investigate and find 'there is no evidence to proceed' or 'there is evidence to proceed'. You guys keep MISTAKENLY assuming if the investigation determines it was a nothing burger then the investigation was not warranted.
Actually you usually start an investigation based off evidence.

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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Haha. Well that pretty much says all that needs to be said about you and your ability to be objective.


"...Russian President Vladimir Putin says he favored Donald Trump because he talked about bringing the Russian relationship back to normal...."

Putin says he wanted Trump to win the presidential election
So you don't think its possible Putin could be lying to create disinformation. Disinformation is a classic tactic of Russia/The Kremlin/Putin
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