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05-12-2020 , 10:21 AM


2000 Deep State Lawyers!!
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05-12-2020 , 11:23 AM
Trump should be ashamed of himself for firing a U.S. general with no criminal record and over 30 years of service to his country.






2000 anonymous sources!
2000 disgruntled democrats who happen to be (temporary part-time volunteer DOJ officials) out to get Trump!
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05-12-2020 , 12:13 PM
I believe we need a Special Counsel Appointed.

The Obama Administration (and probably Obama himself) hatched a plan to frame a member of the opposing transition team.
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05-12-2020 , 05:43 PM
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Let's not get distracted over this political stuff. Instead we should focus on fighting Coronavirus.
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05-12-2020 , 05:58 PM
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How dare they not inform him they would be asking about his crimes. After all, he's a 30-year U.S. General working in the White House and deserves much more justice than normal Americans.
Again, you are trying to smear a 30 year general just because he supports trump. WHAT CRIMES DID HE COMMIT THAT THEY NEEDED TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT. HE HADN'T LIED TO THEM YET.
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05-12-2020 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
Flynn pled guilty and was fired by Trump
Flynn's lawyers convinced him to plead guilty, yes. Did you know these were the same lawyers he had when he filed the application for being a foreign agent? You gotta wonder if that team was compromised in some way by the fact that they were worried about their reputations going forward. As soon as Flynn fired them and hired Sydney she went with a much more aggressive defense like any good lawyer would do.

Trump fired Flynn because he had no other choice. The press was at a Kavanaugh level fever pitch with their Russia lies.
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05-12-2020 , 07:00 PM
lol
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05-12-2020 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jsmith27
I don't think you guys get it. It doesn't matter if Flynn pleaded guilty if the investigation wasn't started on proper grounds. The investigation was started for political reasons. Third world country type stuff. Barr did the right thing and I hope it is the first act of many. Clapper, Brennan, Comey etc need to face trial.
This of course is all false. Flynn himself created the grounds for the investigation by lying to the VP, who then went on TV and repeated the lie to the public. As soon as he did that Flynn was compromised and could be pressured by the GRU into acting in Russia's interests or they would expose him. Then, when the FBI interviewed him about that he lied again, thus committing another felony.
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05-12-2020 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
This of course is all false. Flynn himself created the grounds for the investigation by lying to the VP,
Stop right here. The investigation was well underway. In fact documents have Strzok asking the higher up FBI folks to keep it going as they were ready to be finished with Flynn. Actually “lying” to Pence had zicho to do the investigation.

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who then went on TV and repeated the lie to the public.
. Again this had nothing to do with the investigation.

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As soon as he did that Flynn was compromised and could be pressured by the GRU into acting in Russia's interests or they would expose him. Then, when the FBI interviewed him about that he lied again, thus committing another felony.
Witness after witness that worked in the Obama administration testified under oath that they saw no evidence of collusion. This is like complete BS. Flynn made a plea deal and backed out. It isn’t like it never happened before.
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05-12-2020 , 11:47 PM
The reasons some of them gave in those depositions for thinking Flynn was "compromised" was pathetic. Take Susan Rice for instance. In her deposition she said something along the lines of this: After Flynn had the nerve to tell her that China was a greater threat to the U.S. than Russia was, she felt he might be under Russian control.

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Last edited by beastalamode; 05-12-2020 at 11:49 PM. Reason: either have my world view or you're an agent of Putin obv
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05-12-2020 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by beastalamode
The reasons some of them gave in those depositions for thinking Flynn was "compromised" was pathetic. Take Susan Rice for instance. In her deposition she said something along the lines of this: After Flynn had the nerve to tell her that China was a greater threat to the U.S. than Russia was, she felt he might be under Russian control.

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Which is actually true by the way. China is a greater threat than Russia.
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05-13-2020 , 01:49 AM
Of course, it shouldn't have to be even argued. Here's Susan Rice's house russia probe transcript: "General Flynn's focus was on China as our principal overarching adversary. He had many questions and concerns about China and when I sought to ellicit his perspective on Russia.....he downplayed his assessment of Russia as a threat to the United States. He called it overblown. He said they're a declining power, they're demographically challenged.....they're not really much of a threat, and then he reemphasized the importance of China....I had seen enough at that point and heard enough to be a little bit sensitive to the question of the nature of General Flynn's engagements with the Russians".

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05-13-2020 , 05:34 AM
Yeah, I mean it would be sad if it wasn't so funny. Just ****ing mind boggling that these morons were in charge of foreign policy.
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05-13-2020 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Stop right here. The investigation was well underway. In fact documents have Strzok asking the higher up FBI folks to keep it going as they were ready to be finished with Flynn. Actually “lying” to Pence had zicho to do the investigation.
Strange that this was the reason Trump asked him for his resignation, though. If it wasn't an important enough issue for him to lose his job over, then why did he?


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. Again this had nothing to do with the investigation.
This is also false. If the Russians influenced the election in favor of Trump in exchange for some sort quid pro quo, then conversations Flynn had with Russians could well have been directly in regard to that. Thus him being untruthful about them had a major effect on the ability of them to conduct a full counter intelligence investigation to determine if the actual President of the United States was a foreign asset, or if anyone in his administration was.

Later, Trump obstructed justice by asking Comey to drop the matter, which now prompts an even larger need for an investigation. Why is Trump willing to break the law to protect the guy when he's perfectly happy to deep six many other people in the administration when he has no further use for them?


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Witness after witness that worked in the Obama administration testified under oath that they saw no evidence of collusion. This is like complete BS. Flynn made a plea deal and backed out. It isn’t like it never happened before.
This is also false. Trump Jr., Manafort and others met in the summer of 2016 with Russian government agents at Trump Tower. This is well known and documented. Everyone involved lied about it from top to bottom before, during, and after the news of the meeting broke, and continues to do so to this day.

Even if there wasn't collusion, it certainly wasn't for lack of trying.
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05-13-2020 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Strange that this was the reason Trump asked him for his resignation, though. If it wasn't an important enough issue for him to lose his job over, then why did he?




This is also false. If the Russians influenced the election in favor of Trump in exchange for some sort quid pro quo, then conversations Flynn had with Russians could well have been directly in regard to that. Thus him being untruthful about them had a major effect on the ability of them to conduct a full counter intelligence investigation to determine if the actual President of the United States was a foreign asset, or if anyone in his administration was.

Later, Trump obstructed justice by asking Comey to drop the matter, which now prompts an even larger need for an investigation. Why is Trump willing to break the law to protect the guy when he's perfectly happy to deep six many other people in the administration when he has no further use for them?




This is also false. Trump Jr., Manafort and others met in the summer of 2016 with Russian government agents at Trump Tower. This is well known and documented. Everyone involved lied about it from top to bottom before, during, and after the news of the meeting broke, and continues to do so to this day.

Even if there wasn't collusion, it certainly wasn't for lack of trying.
The President thought Flynn lied to Pence. It is not even clear if he did, or if he misremembered or forgot something.

Ya, but the russians didn't influence the election for some quid pro quo with Trump. That is fake news. The transcripts from the Obama administration tell you all you need to know about that. They have "0 evidence" of it.

Trump didn't obstruct justice. Why can't a president tell the FBI director to drop something? They were going after Flynn for nothing. Comey was the one who was abusing power and trying to entrap a innocent man who served our country for 30 years.

Flynn was high up in his administration. He wasn't some random jerk who Trump sort of knew. He was someone like Kavanaugh who the Obama administration did everything in their power to railroad. Obama tried to tell him not to hire Flynn. Then they used the intelligence department to try to send him to jail. They leaked the phone call to get him fired. They abused his constitutional rights, by unmasking him in that phone call. They spied on him illegally. Thats why he was exonerated and people in the Obama admin will face charges for this.

Trump JR met with a woman from russia. True. It was a set up by the Obama admin.
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05-13-2020 , 11:33 AM
Clapper, Brennan, Susan Rice, Farkas, etc all of them were going on TV and lying to you about "evidence and facts" they had of russia collusion. While they testified to the complete opposite of that.

You all got played, It is time to realize that and call for the heads of the people who went on TV day after day after day and LIED straight to your face, as they broke the constitution to spy on their political opponents.

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05-13-2020 , 01:32 PM
It's incredible how dumb you guys are.

Remember back right before the 2018 midterms and right wing media was wall-to-wall coverage of the imminent threat of THE CARAVAN? And remember how the day after the midterms that all stopped immediately?

This Obamagate nonsense is the exact same thing, as all of Trump's bullshit is. He is tricking you absolute simps into getting MAD about literally nothing because it's beneficial to him.

Biden's popularity is tied to Obama and Trump is running against Biden. That's all this is about, and you guys are lapping it up like pigs at the trough lmao
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05-13-2020 , 01:43 PM
Braindead morons calling people dumb always amuses me.
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05-13-2020 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by beastalamode
Of course, it shouldn't have to be even argued. Here's Susan Rice's house russia probe transcript: "General Flynn's focus was on China as our principal overarching adversary. He had many questions and concerns about China and when I sought to ellicit his perspective on Russia.....he downplayed his assessment of Russia as a threat to the United States. He called it overblown. He said they're a declining power, they're demographically challenged.....they're not really much of a threat, and then he reemphasized the importance of China....I had seen enough at that point and heard enough to be a little bit sensitive to the question of the nature of General Flynn's engagements with the Russians".
Yeah I saw this and I'm not familiar enough with rice to know for sure if she's actually that dumb. My assumption is that its an excuse to justify the actions they took.

There is a really concerning pattern here. We don't know everything but there is clear corruption. We don't know the extent and who else was involved etc but there's clearly some concerning points here

-Strzok text messages show clear hate for trump. ominous messages like "insurance policy" and "we'll stop him"

- documents show they had nothing and were about to close the case. Strzok moves to keep it open and goes after flynn

-documents show they went in to see flynn with an agenda. get him to lie or get him fired.

-comey acknowledges they strategically avoided typical protocol to pursue flynn at the WH

-IIRC they asked flynn about a phone call both parties knew was recorded. They were doing this to "catch him" in a "lie". They knew what was in the phone call. From my understanding this was a move you make to "get someone" vs investigate a situation

-The FBI lied to the FISA courts through both omission and by providing fraudulent documents.

- before the election hilary was lobbing russia mud at trump. It's like she had a talking point in her back pocket ahead of this. Just speculation but It does look calculated

- documents reveal that a bunch of "important people" showing up on msm to accuse trump of russian collusion admit they had nothing behind the scenes under oath

I'm sure I'm missing some points and counter points but there is just so much smoke here. We are sure that the FBI intentionally abused the fisa process with doctored documents from the fbi and that the entire russia probe produced nothing. There's a lot of smoke around the rest
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05-13-2020 , 02:33 PM
Yeah, the fact of 302s being fabricated/changed after the fact, missing 302s, Obama/Biden involved, multiple accounts of officials worried that the tactics being used were improper, Logan Act nonsense, lies that really were not lies, holding back exculpatory evidence, not informing Flynn prior to interview, the Comey/Trump conversation, threats to Flynn's son, using faulty basis for probable cause and doubling down on it when it has been proven unreliable, so on and so on.

It should be obvious when one compares sworn testimony with the nonsense put forth by the MSM.

All of this going on while Podesta admits he and Hillary were behind the Steele dossier.
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05-13-2020 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee
It's incredible how dumb you guys are.

Remember back right before the 2018 midterms and right wing media was wall-to-wall coverage of the imminent threat of THE CARAVAN? And remember how the day after the midterms that all stopped immediately?

This Obamagate nonsense is the exact same thing, as all of Trump's bullshit is. He is tricking you absolute simps into getting MAD about literally nothing because it's beneficial to him.

Biden's popularity is tied to Obama and Trump is running against Biden. That's all this is about, and you guys are lapping it up like pigs at the trough lmao
We'll see where this goes. Let me guess, if Barr moves forward with indictments you will be the first to say "Barr has no basis for this! Flynn was investigated and tried fair and square! Nothing improper happened!"
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05-13-2020 , 02:51 PM
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We'll see where this goes. Let me guess, if Barr moves forward with indictments you will be the first to say "Barr has no basis for this! Flynn was investigated and tried fair and square! Nothing improper happened!"
I mean yeah of course I would because Barr has zero credibility, is a notorious corrupt liar dating back to Iran-Contra and is destroying the DOJ.

This was the reaction to the DOJ dropping Flynn's charges from people who actually have a clue and are not mouth-breathing MAGA derpers:

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05-13-2020 , 03:01 PM
Former DOJ officials. What's the bet they are all democrats?
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05-13-2020 , 03:14 PM
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Former DOJ officials. What's the bet they are all democrats?
0% they are all Democrats. You know you can look at the list of signatories right?

Looking at the first ten names, two of them were appointed by Republicans and only served under Republicans.
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05-13-2020 , 03:15 PM
Yeah, arguing against existence of the deep state when they basically present irrefutable evidence of it is indeed humorous.
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