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Deep in rural Kanas there might be just one sheriff for hundreds of square miles and I never saw too many cops trying to catch speeders during my time in KC either.

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03-14-2024 , 05:29 PM

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"Would it save lives" also is not the correct question to be asking from a policy perspective.

If we reduced the speed limit to 10 mph, traffic fatalities would go down to very low levels. But the economic impact would be immense and we would all go insane.

outlawing or strictly limiting cars and moving to a public transport system would be safer, faster, and cheaper.

that is never going to happen ofc bc of the primary factor at play.

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03-14-2024 , 05:41 PM

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outlawing or strictly limiting cars and moving to a public transport system would be safer, faster, and cheaper.

that is never going to happen ofc bc of the primary factor at play.

You don't need to sell me on public transportation. I haven't owned (or leased) a car in thirty years.

But I don't see how your proposal would work in the suburban United States, much less in rural areas.

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03-14-2024 , 05:55 PM

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outlawing or strictly limiting cars and moving to a public transport system would be safer, faster, and cheaper.

that is never going to happen ofc bc of the primary factor at play.

The factor being that most of the country doesn't live and work in Manhattan.

For me, it's a 2 hour bus ride to work, 30-45 min drive on a shitty day, or 16 minutes if freeway is moving posted speeds or better. I still live "in" the City. This would be so so much worse for suburbanites.

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03-14-2024 , 06:18 PM

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The world doesn’t revolve around suburbanites

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03-14-2024 , 06:38 PM

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There’s a large amount of life saved from cancer and stuff as a result of less toxic fumes in the air from lower speeds of travel

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03-14-2024 , 06:56 PM

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well I am not saying to use the current system. I am saying that its still cheaper to build an actually efficient and usable public transport system.

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03-14-2024 , 07:00 PM

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There’s a large amount of life saved from cancer and stuff as a result of less toxic fumes in the air from lower speeds of travel

Lower speed OBVIOUSLY increases urban air pollution ffs

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03-14-2024 , 07:00 PM

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well I am not saying to use the current system. I am saying that its still cheaper to build an actually efficient and usable public transport system.

Sure lol

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03-14-2024 , 07:01 PM

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Lower speed OBVIOUSLY increases urban air pollution ffs

yes, but smoking weed is safer than speeding.

on a macro level, of course.

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03-14-2024 , 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

outlawing or strictly limiting cars and moving to a public transport system would be safer, faster, and cheaper.

that is never going to happen ofc bc of the primary factor at play.

Yes, let's put your entire life on the hands of public sector unions, what could go wrong.

At least in the model you envision, you would use the army to quell public transport strikes right? As they could paralyze society entirely?

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03-14-2024 , 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

I have never once read or followed the speed limit, speed limits are for nerds.

11k speed cameras (like in Italy) could change your mind

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03-14-2024 , 07:06 PM

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well I am not saying to use the current system. I am saying that its still cheaper to build an actually efficient and usable public transport system.

maybe from an economic standpoint....maybe and even that would be over a long time frame as the infrastructure rebuild would take billions.

but time is the ultimate resource and there is no way, short of teleportation, that a transit system is going to be faster, or even close to, taking an individual from point A to point B unless they live in the city. and city living is sort of gross.

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03-14-2024 , 07:10 PM

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Even in a city, even with decent public transportation, try going around with a 4 and 2 years old at peak hours then report back

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03-14-2024 , 07:14 PM

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Even in a city, even with decent public transportation, try going around with a 4 and 2 years old at peak hours then report back

another thing to consider the crime on public transportation. in boston nary a week goes by where someone isn't assaulted on the T. also the system here has gone from one of the best in nation to now breaking down quite frequently because it's managed by the state and you can imagine the job they do with upkeep.

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03-14-2024 , 07:29 PM

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Lower speed OBVIOUSLY increases urban air pollution ffs

This is very far from being obviously true. I don't have much of an opinion on the actual speed limit discussion but the level of pollution that results from it being lower is not all that well understood and most real case studies have seen very little changes (sometimes marginally higher emissions but almost always lower particulates) with the minimal changes that are noticed generally being towards slightly less pollution overall.

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03-14-2024 , 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

Was just thinking to myself, man I think smoking weed is less dangerous than speeding, on a macro level. And then I wondered, just how bad is speeding really?

Lets look at increased deaths
increased accidents
increased costs

maybe the US should go down to a 55mph limit like a civilized country

You need to make up your mind. Is it speeding that you think is the problem, or the speed at which people drive? The two are not the same thing. A lower speed limit will likely change the speed at which people drive, but it won't necessarily change how much people speed - in fact, it could do the opposite.

And what made you settle on 55 as the ideal speed limit? Why not 60, or 50, or 40?

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03-14-2024 , 07:57 PM

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It takes longer to reach your destination. Most air pollution for urban car use is at traffic lights anyway.

Certainly you don't reduce urban air pollution by going slower. If lucky nothing big changes, otherwise it's a lot worse.

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03-14-2024 , 08:02 PM

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You can't honestly have this conversation till you have everyone 65+ retake their road test.

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03-15-2024 , 02:15 AM

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You can't honestly have this conversation till you have everyone 65+ retake their road test.

Research shows that big safety gains can be won with even small reductions in speed. The Highway Safety Manual has shown that deadly crashes can be decreased by 17% if speeds are reduced just 1 mph.

This is why I want speeds lowered

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03-15-2024 , 02:37 AM

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Kinetic energy is proportional to mass and square of velocity. So a car traveling 100mph has approximately twice the kinetic energy of the same car traveling at 70mph, and the total stopping distance is also about double.

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03-15-2024 , 02:39 AM

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People who don’t drive fast don’t realize driving 150 mph takes actual skill that driving 60-70 mph does not.

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03-15-2024 , 02:48 AM

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People who don’t drive fast don’t realize driving 150 mph takes actual skill that driving 60-70 mph does not.

Fastest I've ever gone was on a long empty stretch of straight highway and I realised just how fast that was when I didn't even react to the cop parked on the side of the road till I blew past him. When he pulled me over and asked how fast I thought I was going and I said "umm 90" he laughed and said "try again". Lucky he didn't take me to jail, I think it was because my passenger was in the marines and he kept his army ID or whatever next to his license so the cop could see it. The ticket he wrote was for 125 but I think I got up to about 140.

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03-15-2024 , 02:55 AM

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most cars top out at 120. I had a hand me down car by holden racing for awhile that topped out at 160-170. I don’t know a lot about cars but I know a lot about driving. There is a difference; some professional drivers don’t know a lot about cars either, although i’m pretty sure it’s impossible to be like that and be successful in formula 2 or formula 1.

I have been stopped 40 or so times. I just like to go fast.

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03-15-2024 , 02:57 AM

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This was 20 years ago in a brand new Audi TT sport. I don't think they had the electronic speed regulators then. But it was pretty scary going at that speed, I never went over 100 again after that.

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