That would be enough for almost every building, but not for the twin towers. you would need a couple of those and tie them together. Its possible.

So if Im staying at a building like this I would like to think I bring 4 of those ropes.

Imagine if we’d spent trillions of dollars on building safety instead of ****ing around in Afghanistan for twenty years.

Thats the problem. They had a quarter million visitors a day and no means to evacuate them. The building was not eqipped for such an event, people sued because of this. A terror attack had to be anticipated, especially after failed bomb attempt by terrorist a couple years prior to this. They tried to bring down the towers only a couple years before this. But essentially youre totally right, there was no rescue system. Nor was it thought of to be an issue. Things changed since then.

It should have been a requirement and a failure of the engineers and planers to have means of evacuation. just like the titanic, it was disaster.

The High Rise Parachute Safety System



This system requires no climbing skills, put on this backpack, find a solid place to hook and descent.



The Spars rescue system for up to 1000ft buildings



Optional, put foam on the impact zone or water. Or get huge a trampoline, anything. Fold cardboxes, get a net. People will get injured but at least have a chance of survival.

Here is a jump from over 700 meters into boxes of cardboard. Yes, simple cardboard. Everyone could have folded a few instead of watching for 2 hours.

Nope, does not show for me. Not sure if others can see it. I see all the other Youtube video's. Sometimes they are blocked to Canadian IP's but that is usually the error note we get when that happens ("not viewable in your country due to copyright").



Skydiving requires a large degree of skill and training. To do a Static Line jump over miles of open farm field for my first ever jump took a half days continuous training and that was with the main chute being auto deployed via the static line ripping it out of the pack as we jumped out of the plane.

For my first jump I did not want to be attached to any other person and wanted to experience the fall on my own and thus why I choose the Static line jump.

This is what I did for my first jump where you can see the line attached to the chute that rips it out automatically...




Most people do this, a tandem jump with an expert, for their first jump but i wanted more freedom than that...




Either way before you ever freefall you typically will do dozen(s) of jumps before being considered good enough to control everything on your own.

Base Jumping off of an office tower is considered to be at the most extreme end of skydiving along with wing suits.

The swirling winds towers create and the proximity of other towers requires the jumper to have expert level precision to not hit a tower, causing the folding and collapse of the chute and then free fall to the ground.

So no it is not a good option for the untrained.



After 9/11 some companies did try to make an idiot proof way to 'skydive' down to the ground such as you see in the video below.

The best way to institute something like that would be for each building to just have those available on upper floors in the way that Cruise Ships have life jackets available.




But again the cost of those and the likelihood of them being used successfully would almost certainly be better spent on more practical ways to get people out quicker in the 99.9999% of incidents where both the elevators and stairways were not compromised.

In that 0.0001% of incidents, as horrible as it may seem you may be best off to write off those top floor people knowing that doing so allows you to save exponentially more lower floor people.

NO. You missed what I wrote.

My two lengths at 200 ft are retrievable, every 200 ft you go down, you then pull in the rope, reset and do it again.

I just pull the ropes down to me, and then do the next 200 ft. Thus I can traverse an unlimited amount of height down (multiples higher than the Twin Towers), as long as I have the time.

What you are suggesting in trying to have enough length of rope to do it all in one go would not work as you need more than a thousand foot of rope for the Twin Towers and at that length it would be susceptible to breaking under the weight, As you increase the length of the rope the load force on the rope gets greater.

That is crazy cuepee. It must be a regional block from youtube.

Then I have to tell you in quick words the content of it.

It talks about the jumping people and the stigmatization of it. The media did not cover this. The church and the media did not want to talk about it. Suicide is a controversial topic. It wasnt suicide imo like I said. It was the only option besides being burt alive or sufficate from the fire. Officially nobody jumped! To this day the official cause of death or reason is blown out from the windows due to explosions etc. That is not correct, and everyone whitnessing knows this.

Washoe, i really want to shake you awake here.

Yes people could fold boxes or set up extravagant nets IN HINDSIGHT to save people and maybe saved one or two of those jumpers.


But INSTEAD i want you to think of how much man power and effort to both find and then set up those things and how that WOULD NOT HAVE been better spent, focusing on getting out more people from all the floors below the compromised impact section?

You are focusing on one side of the equation only in an attempt to save ONE while that same amount of effort could have saved dozens more instead.

You saying it is POSSIBLE while ignoring it is improbable and almost certainly would not save more lives than alternative efforts with the same man power.

You would need to point to hook the rope onto. That would be hard to find as the surface of the buidling was windows. Maybe possible. I know of the few knots that would connect two ropes just fine. There are knots from boatsman that tie lose ends very securely. (I would make a couple of these knots just to be sure) The ropes weight cannot be the issue imo. I would go with this option if I were in the situation.

Yes, maybe youre right. I agree. The people from a beneath the impact zone made it out alive 99% even though there was a radio problem from the rescuers and even though the media reports didnt warn them

in time. There was great confusion from the reports. Nobody knew what was happening or about to happen, so I dont blame them.

I know... I was just thinking. If I see people jumping I try to find a net, or with my now knowledge cardboard.

Its tough to ask for this cuepee I know. As it would be dangerous for the people attemping this as there was probably debris coming down too.

One more thing to think about Washoe if you still are not getting this.

You can watch countless video's of Airplane failures where they Captain knows all that remains is the impact and the hope some passengers somehow survive.

Whenever I watch those video's i think 'man I would want my parachute and to be allowed to jump and take my chances that way'.

Do you know why they do not put parachutes in the planes for such use in the way they put flotation devices for water impact and survival?

it is because almost all people would be much better off taking their chances the plane recovers or the impact is survivable for them, then to have people making instead the choice to jump, once the plane descended to a safe altitude to do so.

Same for the Twin Towers that day. Without hindsight of individuals you now know to be dead, and the Towers collapsing, in almost all instances you would not want people making the wager to strap on a parachute with no training and jump.

Are you a poker player and do you understand Results Based Thinking and why it should not apply?

You can just imagine many people opting to jump from a plummeting plane or burning building and dying when they use their parachute wrongly, but then the Captain recovers the Plane or the fireman do effect rescues but it is too late. Panicking people took their chance and jumped and died needlessly.

Jumping with the chute would be the wrong gamble in almost all instances save the rarest of few. Something you would only know in hindsight 99.99% of the time.

For anyone not having seen the footage here it is.

This is live, the reporter and cameraman almost died shooting this:



This is what people saw on the television:



can you see this cuepee, that is the image of the blocked video, its called the falling man (google):

I guess i am too long winded and you are not reading what I wrote, as I addressed all of that in my post.

Even in floor to ceiling windows there are always, at a minimum brace beams connecting a span of windows to strengthen them.



You would be able to secure your rope around those easy enough if the glass already blew out and I mentioned you might need more time if you had to break some of the glass out or away so it was not a danger to cut the rope accidentally.

Anyway, the concept of lowering yourself to the ground via 2 lengths of rope (of any decent length) is sound, as long as you have enough time to do so.

(edit. Yes that video i can see and I have seen the video's of people jumping prior to this thread)

I found articles cuepee:

"they began jumping not long after the first plane hit the North Tower, not long after the fire started. They kept jumping until the tower fell. They jumped through windows already broken and then, later, through windows they broke themselves. They jumped to escape the smoke and the fire; they jumped when the ceilings fell and the floors collapsed; they jumped just to breathe once more before they died. They jumped continually, from all four sides of the building, and from all floors above and around the building's fatal wound. They jumped from the offices of Marsh & McLennan, the insurance company; from the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald, the bond-trading company; from Windows on the World, the restaurant on the 106th and 107th floors—the top. For more than an hour and a half, they streamed from the building, one after another, consecutively rather than en masse, as if each individual required the sight of another individual jumping before mustering the courage to jump himself or herself. One photograph, taken at a distance, shows people jumping in perfect sequence, like parachutists, forming an arc composed of three plummeting people, evenly spaced. Indeed, there were reports that some tried parachuting, before the force generated by their fall ripped the drapes, the tablecloths, the desperately gathered fabric, from their hands. They were all, obviously, very much alive on their way down, and their way down lasted an approximate count of ten seconds. They were all, obviously, not just killed when they landed but destroyed, in body though not, one prays, in soul. One hit a fireman on the ground and killed him; the fireman's body was anointed by Father Mychal Judge, whose own death, shortly thereafter, was embraced as an example of martyrdom after the photograph—the redemptive tableau—of firefighters carrying his body from the rubble made its way around the world."

https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...man-tom-junod/

So if Im standing there watching and hearing the sounds of people impacting for 90 minutes, I cannot do anything (of shouldnt do anything). Thats what you guys are basically telling me.

Its very tough on the newest building to find something to hook on or climb even. They have a very flat surface and are basically unclimbable. Thats what I learned and saw. They are obessed with the outside look more than safety.

Cuepee, that is a pulitzer price photo, that was hidden from us. It was banned. "you cant run this" they said.

What in the world are you talking about? It was very widely reported that a lot of people jumped or unintentionally fell from above the impact zone. (There of course was no way to know exactly who jumped and who unintentionally fell, but the assumption was that the overwhelming majority of falling bodies were jumpers.) The day after 9/11, the New York Post published a picture of a man in free fall on the front page of the tabloid. Other media outlets made an editorial decision not to post similar photos. But no one denied that people were landing on the sidewalk.

I lived in NYC at the time. Needless to say, I read the stories and I watched the news. You are simply mistaken if you are suggesting that there was a concerted effort to conceal that people jumped and/or fell from the towers.

washoe no one is denying people jumped nor that it was tragic.

Again, the reason they don't spend time and effort and resources on parachutes in planes is not because they could not theoretically save some people if you only looked (in hindsight) at the planes that crashed with no survivors, but because they would likely cost more lives in other instances.

For all the time and effort you would put in to save the jumpers in this instance, those efforts could save countless more directed elsewhere and in many other instances where the rescue services did actually stop the fire or find a way to evacuate the people, but many took their lives into their own hands and jumped with a parachute to their deaths when they did not need to.

I can only assume you are not a poker player and thus do not understand why engaging in results based thinking is almost always a poor way to assess things.

Yes and the times most definetely received backfire.
Read the corona reports. Nobody committed suicide, nobody jumped! That is the official version to this day.

That simply is not true. Quote frankly you do not know what you are talking about in this area.

You would never find a building new or otherwise, that I know of that has endless glass with no structural support between spans of glass either left to right or up and down.



it it exists, I have not seen it.

If the glass is broken to the left and the right (or you break it) of one of these support spans between the glass it would provide an easy area to throw the rope around and then lower down.

When I rock climbed this is how we secured the rope for what is a called a Top Rope Anchor.



It would be identical in securing to a centre support metal beam between the pains of glass once the glass was broken away.

Cuepee of course I know this. You cannot jump out of a commercial airplane.

Unless it has a back loader door.

I rather take the one outer than none!

Im a poker player butting heads and beating some of the best online pros.

Thats pretty cool and I really like diamond gear. And yes, I think you understand buildings better than me. I only know that no climber can climb a modern tower, not with all the windows. Only one frenchmen attempted because he found a space on one building to get a hook onto.

You are talking about descending and I was thinking about ascenting. So if you say there is somehting to hook on I believe you.

Washoe i currently live on the 31st of my condo in a very modern building and I just took this picture of my living window set up.



I live in a city where the biggest risk is a giant earthquake that might destroy the foundation of the building and cause some level of collapse that might make it impossible to get to the ground via elevator or stairs.

You can see very clearly where I could break the windows, if not already broken, and put the ropes around the centre steal structural supports that join the glass spans.

it would not be that difficult (again assuming somehow I survived and found myself in that spot).

With two, 200 ft spans of rope I would likely make ground with one set up and one reset.

(edit for your last post - yes of course we are talking about descending in an emergency. People are not racing to go up the WTC as it falls, they want DOWN. And you do not have to "believe" me. The visual evidence is clear. You must be able to see the metal support beams between the spans of glass. I mean, I can take the pictures to photoshop and color the metal spans purple if you are not seeing them???)

That looks pretty awesome.

I didnt read what you said here and there, sorry. That must have felt like talking to an idiot. Im not zoned in right now, and should not play or post actually.

I agree to most after reading everything. Not to the cardboard or net option, I still think it should have been attemted.

There are systems that dont require any skills. I guess they were all developed after 9/11 and because of it. It was not available then and not thought about.

This is a simple system with a steel cable that anyone can use.



I believe this is a canadian system, the "skysaver" only for 21 floors though.



Rococo and Bobo, this is a 80 meter slide system



This is a chute for skyscrapers up to 3.300 feet. Its a personal parachute rescue system, no skills required. Its pretty much just a backback anyone can use.

Wtf is the matter with you. Of course the people are not classified as suicides. Does it sound appropriate to you to classify jumpers in that scenario as people who committed suicide? Because it certainly doesn't sound appropriate to me.

The NYC Medical Examiner explained very clearly why none of the identified victims were classified as "jumpers." First, it was impossible for the most part to determine based on body condition whether civilian victims found in the rubble died from jumping or died from the collapse.

Second, and most importantly, the NYE Medical Examiner explained that it did not classify people who were forced to jump to escape the smoke and heat as jumpers. Jumper refers to a person who shows up to work with the intention of killing himself or herself.

Here is an article that explains what I assumed was self-evident.

https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...2-jumper_x.htm

That is absolutely correct. It should not be labelled suicide, although technically it was. The point being is there was no public discussion on what should have been done or be done in the future. Instead it was hidden and banned from the media. Not initially, you are right, but shortly after.

Also, the official causes of death was fire or explosion, not deliberate impact. Those are the lies the families have to live with. Are you unable to grasp why this is a problem?