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Originally Posted by Mr Rick
I think what we are missing in this discussion is that somebody who is trans does not necessarily want that info out in the world. There are many gay people who are not out of the closet.
By forcing people to declare their biological birth sex it removes their privacy. Or their opportunity to play sports.
I'm not saying that is more important than a level playing field. Its just that there is more than one playing field.
This whole thing makes me sad.
I would have a problem with boys saying they are girls so they can compete against girls.
I also would have a problem with a boy who was born a girl and is currently taking testosterone competing against girls.
I think I could live with a boy who transitioned to a girl physically, was taking estrogen for 1+ years, and wanted to play sports as a girl. I think I would have a problem if that person was world class. But not if it was accepted by the sporting community they were playing in.
I also think if my daughter read this she would say "Daaaaaaaaad!!!" and tell me to shut up and mind my own business.
Okay. thx for that.
It is the first attempt to find an issue with using Biological Sex and yes it would raise privacy issues.
But sport is littered with privacy issues already. Many things are tested and made public whether you want that or not.
I do not think anyone who voluntarily enters sport can use a desire for privacy as a way to get around rules that otherwise make things fair.
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Originally Posted by Willd
The obvious issue is that in your idea of a "simple" biological sex based divide trans men would be competing in female competition. You might argue that there are more obvious "solutions" to this issue but it is something that would have to be addressed and your insistence that the idea "pretty much fixes things instantly" without having ever mentioned this is why Slighted said your idea is "changing basically nothing".
Edit: Also I don't think you've mentioned how you would deal with a situation like Caster Semenya. She (probably) has XY chromosomes but has lived her entire life as a woman.
Transmen wanting to compete in female sport would absolutely be allowed to as long as they were not in violation of the PED rules and that is fair. Those who 'declare only' would be fine. If you are using PED's then that is fine as a life choice but you should accept you surrender your right ot compete against those not using PED's.
Plus as I said prior, the Men's Divisions are basically Open divisions. No one should prevented via gender or biological sex from competing if they have the skill. So if transman's testosterone levels are that of the normal, non PED male, they should be fine to compete there too.
I am not aware enough of Caster to have an informed opinion where science is still divided as it seems. I am fine with one off exceptions being considered for the 1 in a Million birth case.