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12-02-2023 , 12:23 AM

#126

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Where did you guys get that picture of my mom?

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12-02-2023 , 12:36 AM

#127

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But you agree that they did that to twitter?

The way you phrased it? Nope. Not sure why that matters though; I thought this was a thread about ChatGPT.

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12-02-2023 , 02:04 AM

#128

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I've never seen that woman before in my life, but I'll take your word for it.

Well then, I’m sorry but I don’t think you’re qualified to run spankgpt.

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12-02-2023 , 02:06 AM

#129

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Yes and this reminds of a nuance I meant to point out...its in private. You are talking to it in private.

There’s no guarantee that it stays private. You can screenshot, it’s got an api…

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12-02-2023 , 03:28 AM

#130

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Well then, I’m sorry but I don’t think you’re qualified to run spankgpt.

At the very least, hire an expert for the role of "Pornoisseur - Curation Division". I'll be sending in my resume.

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12-02-2023 , 05:02 AM

#131

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

The way you phrased it? Nope. Not sure why that matters though; I thought this was a thread about ChatGPT.

I referenced the source. You have left reasonable and sincere dialogue. You can't just put your hands over your eyes and not acknowledge the source.

Are you saying that I misrepresented what Matt Taibbi testified to? Are you saying he's lying about the evidence he brought public? Its evidence Bobo.

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I thought this was a thread about ChatGPT.

Sometimes in order to talk about X, you have to also talk about Y. Thats normal in the realm of reasonable and sincere dialogue.

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12-02-2023 , 05:03 AM

#132

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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls

There’s no guarantee that it stays private. You can screenshot, it’s got an api…

Is that different than that you can be recorded yet you are afforded free speech in the US?

In private you can't say the words you want to chatGTP without getting flagged. Why can't I say bad words to it?

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12-02-2023 , 05:31 AM

#133

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you can and did

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12-02-2023 , 05:34 AM

#134

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you can and did

We are having a discussion and you haven't addressed the content nor the context.

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12-02-2023 , 05:59 AM

#135

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You keep changing whose speech you think is being restricted. You can say whatever you want to ChatGPT. You’re not risking arrest for prompting something ChatGPT won’t answer. This is not any different than 2+2. You can type a slur into your phone and hit post. 2+2 has no obligation to let that then be posted on the website they own. That’s not a 1st amendment issue.

As far as we know, the government is also not hands on with OpenAI in regulating what ChatGPT can say to you. That might or might not be a first amendment violation if they were since the right to free speech is not absolute.

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12-02-2023 , 06:16 AM

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I have no idea what you're on about with leaving dialogue and putting hands over eyes. It's quite simple - your interpretation of that evidence is quite different than mine.

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Sometimes in order to talk about X, you have to also talk about Y. Thats normal in the realm of reasonable and sincere dialogue.

Great. I don't have much interest in a long conversation about the "Twitter Files".

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12-02-2023 , 06:37 AM

#137

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I have no idea what you're on about with leaving dialogue and putting hands over eyes. It's quite simple - your interpretation of that evidence is quite different than mine.
Great. I don't have much interest in a long conversation about the "Twitter Files".

But is your interpretation different than the testimony of t Matt Taibbi. Because that was my reference, not my subjective description of it. We don't need a long description, we can reference the testimony.

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12-02-2023 , 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls

As far as we know, the government is also not hands on with OpenAI in regulating what ChatGPT can say to you. That might or might not be a first amendment violation if they were since the right to free speech is not absolute.

If the government were limiting what ChatGPT could say to users, that might be a problem, depending on how extreme it was, but I don't think it would be a 1st Amendment problem. Generally speaking, courts take a speaker-centric approach to the 1A, not a listener-centric or information-centric approach. As a speaker, ChaptGPT doesn't have any 1A rights.

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12-02-2023 , 09:48 AM

#139

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Some people have a tough time realizing that these two questions are different:

Why can't I do or say X?
Why can't I do or say X without any repercussions?

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12-02-2023 , 12:12 PM

#140

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Ok right I might have missed anyone pointing out that nuance. Its not a 1st amendment question then.

That makes me think about rephrasing the question...what moral purpose is served by flagging me using bad words with it? To me it feels as power trippy as when twitter was making you delete your bad post before you could participate again (but twitter had already remove it from public view.)

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12-02-2023 , 12:25 PM

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I obviously don't control chatGPT, but I would imagine those sorts of decisions are motivated more by business and reputational concerns than moral concerns.

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12-02-2023 , 12:26 PM

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It is our access to correct and good information. With the lol twitter files it was clearly shown countless times that reputable information was censored.

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Originally Posted by Taibbi

....four federal judges rule that they believe this violate this activity violates the First Amendment

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Originally Posted by Taibbi

the former general counsel of the FBI Jim Baker and the former uh deputy director of the FBI had both taken jobs at Twitter there were so many FBI people at Twitter that they had their own internal group um and their own little uh crib sheet to describe the the difference between the terms that they use at the FBI versus at Twitter CIA had it as well yeah CIA as well had their own little internal group

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a workshop that was attended by basically all of the major media including as well as all the major social media platforms to basically pre-b buunk in advance the hunter Biden laptop even though it had not been there was no evidence that that that that that it existed outside of the fact that the FBI knew

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we saw the overt partisanship of the people involved

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Why would we think that state doesn't have the same secret intervention and control over openAI?

Last edited by jbouton; 12-02-2023 at 12:27 PM. Reason: I may have misattributed between the two journalists but it all from their testimony regardless

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12-02-2023 , 04:03 PM

#143

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Ya, I predict that they are, unbeknownst to the users, using their inputs for training.

Unless I just didn't know that and its public, and if its not public I think thats what the controversy was truly over. And no one involved can say without going to jail.

Its insane that it raises a flag if i use a bad a word. Thats insane.

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12-02-2023 , 04:35 PM

#144

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If they were going to do that, why would they need to keep it secret? With the scrutiny all AI is under, that seems like a high risk strategy with little to no benefit. I would bet a lot of people already assume it learns from what we ask - I know I thought they did.

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12-02-2023 , 04:56 PM

#145

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

Are you talking about chatGTP or twitter?

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12-02-2023 , 05:35 PM

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I was talking about ChatGPT, which I assumed you were, but now that I see your reply and reread your earlier post I guess you might not have been. I'm actually having trouble fitting your post to either ChatGPT or Twitter entirely.

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12-02-2023 , 05:42 PM

#147

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

With twitter it was kept secret since it was effectively illegal action by the FBI and CIA. Since we are talking about the same kind of interventions, control, and censorship that is explicitly described by the journalists testimony i referenced as provably having happened with twitter, I would say it would be kept secret for the same reasons.

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12-02-2023 , 05:54 PM

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If you're talking about simply training the AI off of what questions/input people provide to ChatGPT, I disagree for the reasons I already mentioned. If you're talking about biased intervention in what ChatGPT outputs to users, then I agree they'd want to keep that quiet.

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12-02-2023 , 06:44 PM

#149

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

I understand the distinction and reason for it to some degree. But its about state intervention and the secrecy. We don't want state secretly controlling the inputs either. But afaik, there is no publicly stated training/input program.

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12-02-2023 , 10:49 PM

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I'm not disagreeing that we don't want them messing with the inputs secretly, I'm disagreeing that if they did it, they would do it secretly, because:

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