I see way more violence on TV than I hear racist terms being used your moving your own goal posts here. Like you've admitted you try to avoid watching anything where racists terms are used so you must do too.

Yeh we can tell but under my understanding of racism allowing one race to get away with something you deem immoral while turning a blind eye to others doing the same thing is pretty racist.

Thats nonsense you have acted in bad faith this whole thread and ignored points you know you have no answer for

I never said one was more or less damaging. It would depend on the context.

There’s some portion of racists who use the hard ER that would like to whip other races. The reason you don’t see them doing this is because they don’t think they can get away with it, not a lack of desire.

PW?

I specifically said in real life. This conversation is about how TV influences people irl. You said that someone whipping someone is a thousand times worse than calling them the N word

In response to this I asked you how many times you had seen someone whipped, and how many times you had heard someone say the N word. I am talking about real life, just like you were. Not TV.

Did you mess this up on purpose or was it an accident.

That is not how racism works and prejudices are different between the races so you can’t compare apples to apples in the situations your references.

Racism is saying one race is better than the other. Allowing victims to use language as they feel and not allowing the perpetrators to use that language is not in the definition of racist/not racist.

Yes

What about them


Yes. How can someone act like someone else? They take the image they have of them and then adjust their behavior such that it matches the behavior of that person in their head.

You don’t have to emulate one over the other for it to be bad.

I think it's pretty cool you're challenging your teacher on a perspective you feel strongly about and love the fact that you're thinking about the script beyond what is just spoken on screen. It's difficult for beginners, or even advanced writers, to understand how scripts affect audiences, and being able to find your voice as a writer is one of the important aspects of separating good screenwriters from great ones. However, some of the negatives of thinking about dialogue from a morality standpoint are you can create inauthentic characters, become preachy, or easily become paralyzed as a writer.

I think both you and your teacher have fair points and both types of scripts are needed. So much depends on the context/subject matter of the script. In your teacher's defense, characters are more dynamic the more authentic they are, and even though you may not agree with using a derogatory term, the reality is people use it every day. Simply ignoring those words or pretending they don't exist never challenges others' beliefs that those words are okay to say to others in real life. One could argue the most effective way to change people's hearts is to attack it face-on. In your defense, there are plenty of ways to show a character is discriminatory and portray them authentically without using these words. Hearing these same discriminatory words over and over again becomes tiresome and overdone, which only leads to them becoming accepted in mainstream culture.

Reading through the thread it feels like it's delved into if these words are just okay to say in general, not just subjected to a film. Obviously, both the F-word and the N-word are highly emotional and debated topics. Using them in a derogatory way, especially by a white person to a black, or a straight person to a gay person, is incredibly offensive and basically indefensible. However, there's a nuance to the conversation about who can use them and where. You mentioned nobody should ever use them, but what about black or gay people who have reclaimed the word for their own and use it as a term of endearment? This is often done in a handful of traditionally marginalized communities today and can be quite empowering. I'm not arguing this is "right" but simply saying there are legitimate perspectives by people in these communities who may feel differently than you regarding the accepted use of these words.

There's also a whole well we could go down, which others have brought up, with the media depiction of violence, crime, drugs, bad behavior, or anything that is morally questionable and how the lines become blurred when trying to determine if language is okay compared to these other controversial topics.

I don't think either you or your teacher isn't necessarily right or wrong. You just have two different perspectives. Do your best to learn from your teacher and try to understand their perspective. Same with the people in this group. The person that wins the argument isn't the one that proves their point to the greatest extent, it's the person that learns the most about the other's perspective. Use that knowledge to write the story you want to write, that you feel you can tell from an authentic place that accurately depicts your voice.

By the way, the Tarantino thing is always hilarious to me. I interpreted it as the feet shots are meant to show the dirty underbelly of Hollywood and hint at the moral impurity of certain characters. That said, the extent to which he holds the camera on the feet shots certainly felt as if it crossed into fetishizing as opposed to just a character or tonal emphasis. I also feel like you lose a lot of the "Character/thematic development" argument when you write a scene in a movie (Dusk Till Dawn) sucking tequila off a woman's toes and cast yourself. Just an unbelievably talented director who can't control his weird sexual fantasies. Hollywood baby!

Also, if you're more interested in shooting commercials I would recommend classes on cinematography far more than screenwriting. Hope to see your work on the air one day!

Man you are pathetic to debate with how much further do you want to move them posts?

And wow "Allowing the perpetrators", what are you insinuating here? It sounds to me like you think there one specific race thats the racist one.

Yea the people that had the racist laws put on the books are from one racial group; the low melanin and straight haired race.


Aka the whites. Yes they are the racist ones. This has been discussed ad nauseam. Do you think the whites in charge aren’t racist anymore? When was the cut off date? If you can’t list a specific date then we know it’s still going on as it was codified as law in the US until at least 1964. But then in the 90s the racist white politicians said black kids are super predator; sounds racist and white to me!

So please let me know when that cut off date was, should be very easy to locate the last day the whites in charge were racist.


Unless you’re wrong of course


You still didn’t explain how you went from asking for real life examples to then using examples from TV- did you do this on purpose or did you just mess it up?

Like a good deal of your posts, this one is racist. You are racist.

Wow! I woke up this morning thinking my question was a bit silly and thought I'd need to retract it somewhat but decided to wait for your reply and boy it did not disappoint and they'll defiantly be no retraction.

It sounds to me like your just stuck in this bubble of the racism in the USA and are unable to broaden it to the whole world, which is somewhat understandably I guess.

But man it sounds like you have a lot of pent up rage at white people in general, even ones like me who are not racist no matter what tendencies you want to try and stick on me.

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The moving the goal posts was in reference to this. This tread started on the basis of talking about race in the media and again it's just so disingenuous to debate like this

Nah we weren’t talking about that. We were talking about real life examples and you went back to using TV

When did the whites stop being racist in the US?

Are you sure about that? It looks like you were very much still on the subject of media. I can't find the point you say I interjected the conversation on just real life but please point it out to me.

Wow so you are actually racist. Replace White with Black, Asian, Brown, etc and racist with criminal, liar, rapist or whatever in that sentence if you can't see it.

Yes there are a lot of white racists in the US, and all over the world, but being white does not equal you being racist and I actually can't believe you've typed that

Why would you replace the ruling class that loves slavery and keeps it going with the victims of slavery?

Are you confused?

When did I type that being white equals you are racist? I mean everyone has a bit of racism in them, it would be delusional to say otherwise

What exactly is this sentence in reference too it seems very out of place? Is it the below quote cause if so you really haven't understood what I meant.

Do you see what I'm getting at?


You used the term "Whites" as a collective meaning all white people. Wow so your now ok with a little bit of racism, this is just becoming very strange

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Still waiting on the response about the real life vs media bit aswell?

Whites were in charge and in charge of the current slavery policies.

I’m talking about the rich whites. Yes I have some racism in me, I am American, we all have racism in us and I do what I can to combat that.



Seems a bit disingenuous to say Mexicans blacks and Asians are all of these made up crimes when white people being slavers isn’t made up and is still going on.

If another race were in charge and doing these things I would blame them, but they aren’t. It’s the rich whites.

Musta got you confused about real life vs media.

Well I don't and it's absolutely ridiculous that yesterday you were calling me racist, you did change to racist tendencies, for watching media that has racist slurs in it when your now admitting and showing being somewhat racist.

Thats is not what I was saying I was pointing out the racism in your sentence for you .

And again your just stuck in a US bubble

no thats not what I said you were racist for. I very clearly said do you prefer the N word in a movie or without, everything else equal and you said you prefer the N word versions of Tarantino movies. I think that preference shows racist tendencies and continuing to prefer to hear the N word as entertainment, especially when given the option to remove it, is a racist act.

I dont think I have ever met an american that doesnt have any racism in me. the level of your delusions does not surprise me however. A large % of americans are obese but think they are healthy; same idea.

Stop trying to backpedal from your racist comments earlier and make the other poster look to be the racist one. Good movies do a good job of reflecting reality. Movies that sacrifice accuracy to accommodate snowflake feelings are bad. This is why no good movies have been made in the past decade. The most successful recent movie is Maverick and it's almost a complete remake of the first movie.

Albinos?


Oh.

Tell me about it. Every time you turn on the telly or watch a film or attend a Nation of Islam rally

Yes. (Apart from Stephen Bannon and Stephen Miller and the KKK and American Nazi Party and Mel Gibson and that bloke who used to be on Seinfeld.)
Last Wednesday, I think.

No, that was merely in relation to the black actor actor Kevin Peter Hall who played the Predator in the film Predator and who gave a super performance which was unfortunately misconstrued.This has been discussed ad nauseam

I told you last Wednesday. It was after a screening of Roots, and they learned the error of their ways. (Apart from Stephen Bannon and Stephen Miller and the KKK and American Nazi Party and Mel Gibson and that bloke who used to be on Seinfeld.)


Okay. Maybe it was Thursday. Or was it Tuesday?


Yeah. He's prolly white.

Nah, Wolf of Wall Street, Extraction, Extraction II, Sisu, Blood and Gold John Wick All Quiet on the Western Front and Nobody were all good, in fairness. Bullet Train was surprisingly enjoyable too.

Maverick was awful. Couldn't believe the laziness of the writing in rehashing the central plot point of star wars, ffs.

Good movies in the last decade: everything by Denis Villeneuve. The Master. Her. Boyhood. Carol. Moonlight. Mad Max. Get Out. The Shape of Water. Birdman. Spotlight. Hereditary. Midsommar. Whiplash. Annihilation. Call Me By Your Name. 12 Years A Slave. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because average audiences got dumber with every Marvel & FaF movie that the top end of movie-making is less good. and the ones that had weighty topics to deal with did not run from those topics and try to accommodate supposedly snowflake sensibilities. If anyone's a snowflake, it's the conservatives who have to ban books in order to feel better about their precious heteronormativity and nuclear families and covering up for priests abusing children and maintaining red lines.

What? Am I missing something here?

Rich whites can own slaves? As in now?

Good for you bro. Each journey begins with a single step.


I dunno about the other (prolly white ) guy but you definitely have me confused. Asians, Mexicans and blacks aren't real and are in fact made up crimes?
That sounds kinda garbled in fairness.

The Shape of Water and Midsommar were shi...somewhat below par. Hereditary was good though.

...Did you just make that word up?

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I don't, you non-white motherfu...oh wait. $hit maybe I do.

There’s a bunch of state slavery in the south. The constitution has been amended to allow slavery of prisoners. This is a real thing. Quite a shame imo.

As to who owns them? Well the state owns them but the warden is in complete control of their lives imo