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07-17-2021 , 01:10 AM
The state of Wisconsin has now officially authorised a full forensic audit of the 2020 election.
07-17-2021 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bingobazza
Even better, heres the full video of the actual hearing. I'm sure you can make your own mind up.

https://rumble.com/vjvvx1-arizona-se...nd-update.html

It's rather long, so if you want bitesized videos about the audit hearing, you can find them here - https://rumble.com/search/video?q=ar...udit%20hearing

Here are the highlights:

3,981 people voted in November despite the fact that they registered after the October 15th registration deadline.
11,326 people voted who were not found on voters rolls on November 7th, 2020, but were found on voter rolls a month later on Dec 4th.
18,000 people voted and were removed from the voter rolls immediately following the election.
74,243 mail-in ballots were cast that had no documentation of being mailed out.

Kelly Townsend said if the Maricopa country board doesn't comply with the outstanding subpoenas, they're going to be indicted. AZ Senate president says basically the same - the courts will decide on the punishment for contempt - https://rumble.com/vjxz3d-ariz.-sena...t-hearing.html

Most level headed people are now asking why they are risking real prison time to avoid handing over the routers.

You posted the 2 hour video clip of the hearing and than an a OAN clip of an interview with Fann? Any rationale person supposed to believe anything from Kelly Townsend, Fann and Petersen and there hack job of an audit team they brought in, run by a partisan QAnnon follower? They put out a stunt, OAN which is not a valid news source is coming up with these numbers. Fann doesn’t seem quite dumb to openly state these numbers, just that they are trying to further investigate.

Did you read AP article that Pope posted, https://apnews.com/article/business-...064e6791b4c6fc ?

What did the GOP governor of Arizona say? “GOP Gov. Doug Ducey — that Arizona’s presidential election was secure and its results valid”

I know you people can’t admit that in an election where trump pulled every dirty undemocratic trick he still lost. The QAnnon people and politicians like Fann have no problem playing up to the big lie to continue to take money from sheep like you. Keep believing in these lies.
07-17-2021 , 01:30 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...ationwide/amp/

These have to be a money grab right? Other than maybe a couple of crazy QAnnon elected officials any other calling for audits had be simply to get money from suckers?
07-17-2021 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bingobazza
The state of Wisconsin has now officially authorised a full forensic audit of the 2020 election.
Do you have a link to this? All I can find is one Wisconsin Republican requesting it:

https://www.apg-wi.com/news/state/re...25cb8ae5f.html

But I did find this interesting article:

https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2021/0...dits-movement/

As for Arizona - LOL. Again.

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
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The Arizona Republican-backed "audit" of 2.1 million ballots in Maricopa County "lacks the essential elements" of a credible review and its findings should not be trusted, according to a new report from election experts.

"The Cyber Ninjas boondoggle deviates so substantially from a proper audit or recount that the results simply can't be trusted," Barry C. Burden, director of the Elections Research Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, told Insider. "The Cyber Ninjas firm is not only unqualified to be conducting the review, but they do not actually seem interested in following protocols that could enhance public trust rather than undermining it."
https://www.businessinsider.com/ariz...w-finds-2021-6

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I was stunned to see spinning conveyor wheels, whizzing hundreds of ballots past “counters,” who struggled to mark, on a tally sheet, each voter’s selection for the presidential and Senate races. They had only a few seconds to record what they saw. Occasionally, I saw a counter look up, realize they missed a ballot and then grab the wheel to stop it. This process sets them up to make so many mistakes, I kept thinking. Humans are terrible at tedious, repetitive tasks; we’re especially bad at counting. That’s why, in all the other audits I’ve seen, bipartisan teams follow a tallying method that allows for careful review and inspection of each ballot, followed by a verification process. I’d never seen an audit use contraptions to speed things up.

Speed doesn’t necessarily pose a problem if the audit has a process for catching and correcting mistakes. But it didn’t. Each table had three volunteers tallying the ballots, and their tally sheets were considered “done” as long as two of the three tallies matched, and the third was off by no more than two ballots. The volunteers recounted only if their tally sheets had three or more errors — a threshold they stuck to, no matter how many ballots a stack contained, whether 50 or 100. This allowed for a shocking amount of error. Some table managers told the counters to recount when there were too many errors; other table managers just instructed the counters to fix their “math mistakes.” At no point did anyone track how many ballots they were processing at their station, to ensure that none got added or lost during handling.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...lection-audit/

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Observers noted more than a dozen serious problems, from an unattended and open security gate, errors with a software update used to examine ballots so problematic they ditched it and went back to the old software, and a cell phone brought to the floor.

Observers said that cell phone was carried by one of the leaders of the so-called audit despite rules prohibiting them and security using what appears to be an anti-spy detector daily on the coliseum floor.

“There were two instances where black pens were again on the counting floor,” said Jen Fifield, an Arizona Republic reporter.

Pen color is a big deal because blue and black pens can be used to alter ballots during an audit. She pointed the issue out weeks ago to Cyber Ninja, the hired contractor conducting the ballot exercise for the Arizona Senate.

“He went and checked. He came back and said, ‘We’re going to remove the blue pens. We’re going to use green pens instead,’” Fifield said “It strikes me as showing they may not have experience doing election audits before.”
https://www.wwnytv.com/2021/06/04/ar...ficial-claims/
07-17-2021 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Do you have a link to this? All I can find is one Wisconsin Republican requesting it:

https://www.apg-wi.com/news/state/re...25cb8ae5f.html

But I did find this interesting article:

https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2021/0...dits-movement/

As for Arizona - LOL. Again.

Found this article from Forbes,

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...ationwide/amp/


I’m also interested in a link from Bingo, as what I posted and you posted are all from MSM, fake news.
07-17-2021 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Do you have a link to this? All I can find is one Wisconsin Republican requesting it:
Nothing in bingo's posting to date implies an ability to distinguish between "random GOP nutjob in the state legislature demanded" and "state of Wisconsin ordered".
07-17-2021 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
The overwhelming consensus among experts on constitutional law was that Pence did not have the authority to do what Trump wanted him to do. It was widely reported before June 6 that Pence did not believe that he had the authority to do what Trump wanted him to do. It was widely reported that Pence had been advised that he did not have the authority to do what Trump wanted him to do.

So why were you under this impression that Pence had the requisite authority? On what sources were you relying for your mistaken understanding?
bingo,

I'm still curious about your answer to the bolded.
07-17-2021 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Da_Nit
Found this article from Forbes,

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...ationwide/amp/


I’m also interested in a link from Bingo, as what I posted and you posted are all from MSM, fake news.
Yeah, I found a fair bit on that, um, investigation. I liked this one:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buz...-investigation

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Originally Posted by Da_Nit
I’m also interested in a link from Bingo, as what I posted and you posted are all from MSM, fake news.


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Originally Posted by Rococo
Nothing in bingo's posting to date implies an ability to distinguish between "random GOP nutjob in the state legislature demanded" and "state of Wisconsin ordered".
Fair point.
07-18-2021 , 06:14 AM
So, the general claim here seems to be that the audit is nonsense? Fair enough. They will have their time in court to prove why the auditors are wrong. So far, it's just clearly partisan claims of nothing to see here, which is hardly unexpected, frankly.

When someone can actually refute the specific allegations made by the auditors, please do post it here. Im genuinely interested.
07-18-2021 , 06:28 AM
And if anyone can tell me why the Arizona routers are being withheld by the people who certified an election that is fraught with issues, with the real threat of jail time for not complying with senate issued subpoenas, that would be super.

Does anyone have an answer for this?

Anyone??
07-18-2021 , 06:29 AM
When they get nowhere in court, just as nothing you want to believe has gotten anywhere in court before that - why would that change anything about your beliefs? You will just move on to the next set of beliefs you are told just as the Qderps kept changing the important dates they preached about when one after another failed to do anything.

All the best.
07-18-2021 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Da_Nit
You posted the 2 hour video clip of the hearing and than an a OAN clip of an interview with Fann? Any rationale person supposed to believe anything from Kelly Townsend, Fann and Petersen and there hack job of an audit team they brought in, run by a partisan QAnnon follower?
Got it. It wouldn't matter what they presented, you would dismiss it out of hand without even a cursory examination. Understood.
07-18-2021 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
bingo,

I'm still curious about your answer to the bolded.
Don't remember exactly where, but it was a widely held belief at the time.

Now...since I've answered you, why don't you show me the same courtesy and answer me?

Why are the MCBOE withholding the routers and risking real jail time?

Do you have any specific evidence that the 4 claims made by the auditors in Arizona are false?
07-18-2021 , 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bingobazza
Why are the MCBOE withholding the routers and risking real jail time?
Perhaps it is to allow people who grift derps to have some extra material to work with, or more likely - reality is nowhere close to what you imagine it to be.

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Originally Posted by bingobazza
Do you have any specific evidence that the 4 claims made by the auditors in Arizona are false?
You are from Neptune. Do you have any specific evidence that this claim is false? Disproving negative derp routines are fun!

Anyway, when these "claims" go nowhere in court - what will you then believe? The courts are corrupt? That they did not prove the claims were false? They are from Neptune?


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Originally Posted by bingobazza
Got it. It wouldn't matter what they presented, you would dismiss it out of hand without even a cursory examination. Understood.
Flip side is that you will believe it without question, so it all balances out in the end. Still amusing you tried that "can someone help me debunk this thing another person told me" routine when you first posted.

All the best.
07-18-2021 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bingobazza
So, the general claim here seems to be that the audit is nonsense? Fair enough. They will have their time in court to prove why the auditors are wrong. So far, it's just clearly partisan claims of nothing to see here, which is hardly unexpected, frankly.

When someone can actually refute the specific allegations made by the auditors, please do post it here. Im genuinely interested.

Have the auditors clearly submitted there findings? A submitted report. OAN has made some claims but is there a report with these numbers submitted to say the state senate, when are they going to submit to a court?
07-18-2021 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bingobazza
Don't remember exactly where, but it was a widely held belief at the time.
Translation: My sources were non-existent or embarrassing. But this was a widely held belief on the right wing derp meeting places where i get most of my information.


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Why are the MCBOE withholding the routers and risking real jail time?
I assume it is because of these reasons. Lol at risking jail time.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azc...amp/4995728001

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp

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Do you have any specific evidence that the 4 claims made by the auditors in Arizona are false?
What Monty said. Prove that you are not under the control of super advanced space aliens.
07-18-2021 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
When they get nowhere in court, just as nothing you want to believe has gotten anywhere in court before that - why would that change anything about your beliefs? You will just move on to the next set of beliefs you are told just as the Qderps kept changing the important dates they preached about when one after another failed to do anything.

All the best.
I would be surprised if a court ever weighed in on the audits. Courts are not all purpose vehicles for adjudicating disagreements. If a state tried to actually decertify its election results, then that would end up in court. But even then, the most likely court opinion, especially from a Republican judge, would be "I didnt even consider the audit report because LOL you cant decertify your election results."

Then bingo will run around complaining about how the court ignored the evidence.
07-18-2021 , 11:39 AM
https://apnews.com/article/governmen...53002fafd49cf3

I care less about mouth breathers like bingobaz who believe in Q and care significantly more about people who know better and still follow through. These charlatans are some of the worst criminals in the world, and they get red carpet treatment. It's insane.
07-18-2021 , 05:22 PM
I confess that I haven't been following this thread much lately.

That said, please indulge my ignorance and please tell me what the official date is for Mr. Trump to reclaim the Presidency. Thanks.
07-18-2021 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
I confess that I haven't been following this thread much lately.

That said, please indulge my ignorance and please tell me what the official date is for Mr. Trump to reclaim the Presidency. Thanks.
You really haven't been following this thread if you expect to get an answer to that question.
07-18-2021 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
You really haven't been following this thread if you expect to get an answer to that question.
Well, the Trumpeters used to actually give dates. I take it that they stopped giving dates after the first several predicted dates came and went with Biden still in the White House?
07-18-2021 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Well, the Trumpeters used to actually give dates. I take it that they stopped giving dates after the first several predicted dates came and went with Biden still in the White House?

I suspect the answer is "sometime in the near future, donations to support the fight are appreciated". I also suspect that answer will remain the same as long as people donate.
07-19-2021 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
I suspect the answer is "sometime in the near future, donations to support the fight are appreciated". I also suspect that answer will remain the same as long as people donate.
This!
07-19-2021 , 06:01 AM
I’m pretty sure the next date is in August, heard I think 12th or 15th. The August reinstatement is from Trump, Mike Lindell and others.
07-19-2021 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Da_Nit
Have the auditors clearly submitted there findings? A submitted report. OAN has made some claims but is there a report with these numbers submitted to say the state senate, when are they going to submit to a court?
Their, not there.

Not submitted yet as far as I know. It appears Mary Fanning is a key source for Lindells data packets theory.

Data packets contain:

Timestamp of the access
The IP address source
The incoming network source
The Computer ID source
Target ID (State level)
Target entry point (County level)
ID target (address of the target computer)
Method of intrusion (firewall breach or admin credentialed access)
Successful (intrusion)?
Log trace?
Votes changed?

You can see an example of the intrusion table in the first 4 minutes in this video.

They claim to have thousands of pages of these records. Mostly from Chinese intrusions, but not exclusively, in 2995 counties in the US.

She says that cyber security experts "in the cyber security battle space" (so the intelligence community or military?) built the tools that recorded the election data in real time.

This all makes sense. I don't think it's a mystery to most people that the NSA is recording most internet traffic. This was one of Edward Snowdens key reveals. This capability isn't news to me now, but it was at the time for sure...but may shock some people who think the US government isn't recording their internet activity, either directly or through the 5 eyes. Heres the Intercept (Glenn Greenwalds old rag) talking about it.

Almost all internet traffic flowing over AT&Ts network (which carries traffic for most other networks) is recorded. VPN's don't work against the sophisticated tracing operations of the NSA btw, just incase you were wondering why Chinese hackers didn't use Virtual Shield

They layered a (very nice) GUI on top of the raw data which shows video of the flow of data packets starting at 8 minutes.

These data packet flows would be on the routers in Maricopa county. This is precisely what they are supposed to record.

The question Im asking is...Is this why the MCBOE is willing to risk jail time for contempt by not releasing the routers? Covering up a foreign intrusion comes with much stiffer penalties than contempt.

I'm not sure of the answer, but the question needs to be asked and they need to answer it.

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