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01-10-2021 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Oh DAMN. You beat me to it. ****.
One of my favourite movies, along with the Usual Suspects.

Legal Eagle (youtube channel) says that My Cousin Vinny is technically very accurate on points of law and legal proceedings in general. The scene where Marisa Tomei's character gets voir dire'd has to be one of the greatest masterpieces ever committed to film.
01-10-2021 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
One of my favourite movies, along with the Usual Suspects.

Legal Eagle (youtube channel) says that My Cousin Vinny is technically very accurate on points of law and legal proceedings in general. The scene where Marissa Tomei's character gets voir dire'd has to be one of the greatest masterpieces ever committed to film.
I just like Joe Pesci.......

But at least great minds are still thinking alike.
01-10-2021 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er

if it all comes out otherwise ill be the first to say i got duped but this is where the establishment ****ed up by not having trumps day in court and leaving 75 million people thinking this was fraudulent. like i said before the most damning evidence is the fact that it didnt go to trail and now the media purge .....a quote i saw on twitter " if you have to silence your opponents , you might be the bad guys"
You might want to start working on that speech.

Seriously, do you understand the magnitude of corruption you're implying by rejecting all the separate court rulings form different jurisdictions and different judges ?

If the system is as random and corrupt as you imagine, why are you satisfied with the GOP certifications. There's not way the system can be trusted if what you seem to believe is even possibly true.

Think about that for a minute.

And I'm not a guy who trusts human nature or the system in general.
Quite the opposite in fact. But even bank robbers come to a complete stop and a red light if they see a cop behind them. You can only get away with so much. lol
01-10-2021 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
do you think its smart to put all of your evidence out before your case is in trail ?
Yes.

And its required or 'no court for you' as others have explained.

When someone is ignorant as you are on something so basic you need to stop talking and just listen and learn for a while.

No one who says 'give me my day in court... but I am not going to show you if I even have a case ... you just have to trust me' will ever get a day in court and should not. It would open the courts up to every nutty conspiracy theorists being able to tie up courts as podiums to spew nonsense.


'Hey I am suing that pizza shop over pizzagate and pedophilia. Give me my day in court but don't ask to see if I have any evidence. You will only see it as the trial goes on.'
01-10-2021 , 12:18 PM
I prefer they stop and bet on their beliefs and knowledge first, and after that they can choose to learn as you suggest, knowing they will almost never follow that advice. Educating them is pretty much a waste of time, may as well monetize them instead.
01-10-2021 , 05:28 PM
When you are even too crazy for Alex Jones.

01-10-2021 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
If you don't know something as straightforward as a lawyer needs to present their evidence, and you aren't aware of the nonsense that transpired in the different court cases, you've really got no clue what you're talking about. None.

Here's an example of one of the rulings against Giuliani, in PA:




I hardly know what to say to this.

Here's just one example of what you can find hundreds of:

https://www.theatlantic.com/educatio...cience/283864/

A quarter of Americans responded that the sun revolves around the earth, and answered positively that "human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals". With over 330 million people in the US, there would be very few crackpot theories that you couldn't find a few million to believe in. The thought that something has to go to court simply because 10 or 20 million people believe it is simply preposterous. Trump has raised hundreds of millions of dollars to try his cases, has had two months to bring forward these mountains of evidence, and has all the power of the presidency and connections to more powerful people than any of us will every meet in our lifetimes, and his lawyers, and other lawyers prosecuting cases on behalf of his supporters, have been able to get no further than having cases thrown out of court - often by Trump-appointed judges.

Most of these stories and anecdotes are about the kind of thing I'm sure we could hear about every election. When more than 150 million people vote, I bet you there are dead people who get votes, and miscounts all over the place. Thousands of mistakes and even fraudulent votes all over the country. And yet never enough to affect any one race, let along multiple races in multiple states. As for the big allegations like an entire semi truck of ballots being driven from state to state, or more people voting than there are voters - do you really think that if something like that happened, they'd be unable to bring evidence to court within 2 months? Really??

Think about something else. At the certification of EC votes, 139 Representatives and 8 Senators objected to certifying PA's votes. 121 Representatives and 6 Senators objected to certifying AZ's votes. A few other states had no Senator to join the Representatives that objected to a handful of other states. That means that even for PA, 72 Representatives and 45 Senators for the Republicans did not object. Only in one state did a majority of Republicans in Congress choose to object - and I'd be pretty shocked if every one of them truly believes there was election fraud. If the evidence of fraud is so obvious, why wouldn't every Republican be objecting in every state where that was the case? And why are there now numerous Republicans not only speaking out against Trump, but also some prepared to impeach him?

What seems more likely to you:

- Cases of massive electoral fraud in several states that is known to millions of people and yet can't be gathered and presented in court in spite of having 2 months, hundreds of millions of dollars, and all the resources one could ever want at their disposal, AND even a majority of Republicans legislators can't be convinced of it?

- A desperate man that has lied to the American people countless times is doing everything he can to hold on to the presidency, and/or using this as an opportunity to retain much of his power and influence while raising hundreds of millions of dollars to be used for a future election, or his own personal gain?
presenting evidence right BEFORE court opposed to when your planning your case are not the same thing .

once again the cases you all keep bringing up are NOT trumps cases only julianis were trumps cases which were three and which Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas said there was merit. look at http://www.pahousegop.com/News/18754...e-and-In-Error in allegheny county having more votes than voters, GA with the fake water pipe bursting and kicking gop pole watchers out then pulling fake ballots out from under a table and all across the board bidens votes spike in the wee hours of the night . dude its laughable. the only way you can believe joe biden won the election fair is if you want to. also they burry this **** i have to go to duckduckgo to even find half of it. im not doing the work for you guys its all there if your objective enough. the capital was a ****ing disgrace i am so pissed when i heard they went in but i guaruntee that was incited by 3 letter agencies ( conspiracy theory i know but i treat it as such) there was more than enough to warrant a trail this was straight black balled . also the dominion machines were literally hard wired to the internet but i bet you didnt see that on cnn huh>?
01-10-2021 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
You might want to start working on that speech.

Seriously, do you understand the magnitude of corruption you're implying by rejecting all the separate court rulings form different jurisdictions and different judges ?

If the system is as random and corrupt as you imagine, why are you satisfied with the GOP certifications. There's not way the system can be trusted if what you seem to believe is even possibly true.

Think about that for a minute.

And I'm not a guy who trusts human nature or the system in general.
Quite the opposite in fact. But even bank robbers come to a complete stop and a red light if they see a cop behind them. You can only get away with so much. lol
1) yes and i think theres reason to believe this ( also not just any random states all swing states in blue cities)

2) i dont support the gop , i support populist movements like bernie sanders and now trumps ( not at first i didnt) . just look at this mass purge of conservatives on all platforms and banning of parlor just because it became a place that would accept users from all ideology. the collusion is plain as day , it will all come out eventually or it wont but your guys silly belief that our government opporates at face value is naive.

they had nothing on maga until the capital now they have their " terrorists" and which hunt . they SUPPORTED chaz and antifa blm riots that killed people and called for more " who said protests have to be peaceful" this is hypocritical bullshit...... 2 million dollars damage in once city burning places to the ground. this is hypocrisy
01-10-2021 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
once again the cases you all keep bringing up are NOT trumps cases only julianis were trumps cases which were three and which Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas said there was merit. look at http://www.pahousegop.com/News/18754...e-and-In-Error in allegheny county having more votes than voters, GA with the fake water pipe bursting and kicking gop pole watchers out then pulling fake ballots out from under a table and all across the board bidens votes spike in the wee hours of the night . dude its laughable. the only way you can believe joe biden won the election fair is if you want to. also they burry this **** i have to go to duckduckgo to even find half of it. im not doing the work for you guys its all there if your objective enough. the capital was a ****ing disgrace i am so pissed when i heard they went in but i guaruntee that was incited by 3 letter agencies ( conspiracy theory i know but i treat it as such) there was more than enough to warrant a trail this was straight black balled . also the dominion machines were literally hard wired to the internet but i bet you didnt see that on cnn huh>?
This is the content I was hoping for when I clicked on this thread. Good times.

01-10-2021 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
presenting evidence right BEFORE court opposed to when your planning your case are not the same thing .
Um, OK. None of us are talking about "when your planning your case". Giuliani was asked by the judge to present evidence, and he didn't have any.

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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
once again the cases you all keep bringing up are NOT trumps cases
LOL, what? The ruling I quoted was from one of Giuliani's cases.

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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
only julianis were trumps cases which were three and which Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas said there was merit.
No, they didn't. It's funny that you talk about how everyone just believes all that the "mainstream media" has to say, and then you show that you buy into Trump's spin on every issue, like this one. Here's what Alito said: “I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief,” Alito wrote, “and I express no view on any other issue.” In other words, he and Thomas disagreed in that they would have allowed the case to be filed, but they would not have ruled in their favour. And even if you don't agree that's what was meant - nowhere in the ruling did Alito or Thomas say there was merit. Nowhere.

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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
the only way you can believe joe biden won the election fair is if you want to.
LOL, OK.
01-10-2021 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay S
This is the content I was hoping for when I clicked on this thread. Good times.

PEPE SILVIA!
01-10-2021 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Um, OK. None of us are talking about "when your planning your case". Giuliani was asked by the judge to present evidence, and he didn't have any.


LOL, what? The ruling I quoted was from one of Giuliani's cases.


No, they didn't. It's funny that you talk about how everyone just believes all that the "mainstream media" has to say, and then you show that you buy into Trump's spin on every issue, like this one. Here's what Alito said: “I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief,” Alito wrote, “and I express no view on any other issue.” In other words, he and Thomas disagreed in that they would have allowed the case to be filed, but they would not have ruled in their favour. And even if you don't agree that's what was meant - nowhere in the ruling did Alito or Thomas say there was merit. Nowhere.


LOL, OK.
yes they did( there was a quote about merit specifically good luck finding on google) i can pull the quote up but im not going to man . i am officially over it civil war be damned ill be in my boxers watching breaking bad again. i am having this convo on four different platforms and it just hit me that i do not care anymore. goodfight and good night ill see you all at the tables.
01-10-2021 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
yes they did i can pull the quote up but im not going to man .
Here you are presented with a GREAT opportunity to shed light on what the SC justices wrote that agree with The President's (and yours I assume) arguments.

((You can't just drop bombs and then shelter..... unless your statements have no validity. You said "good fight".... well, no..... you have not fought fairly))
01-10-2021 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
yes they did( there was a quote about merit specifically good luck finding on google) i can pull the quote up but im not going to man .
LO ****ing L.

Here's the entire order from the Supreme Court's actual website:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/...120zr_p860.pdf

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(ORDER LIST: 592 U.S.)
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2020
ORDER IN PENDING CASE

155, ORIG. TEXAS V. PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL.

The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of
complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of
the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially
cognizable interest in the manner in which another State
conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed
as moot.

Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins:
In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a
bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original
jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___
(Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore
grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not
grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.

CERTIORARI GRANTED
20-222 GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP, ET AL. V. AR TEACHER RETIREMENT, ET AL.
The petition for a writ of certiorari is granted.
01-10-2021 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Here you are presented with a GREAT opportunity to shed light on what the SC justices wrote that agree with The President's (and yours I assume) arguments.

((You can't just drop bombs and then shelter..... unless your statements have no validity. You said "good fight".... well, no..... you have not fought fairly))
"The motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied.
JUSTICE THOMAS, with whom JUSTICE ALITO joins, dissenting from denial of motion for leave to file complaint. "

"Justice Samuel Alito, in a brief statement joined by Justice Clarence Thomas, said he believed the court should have taken up the case because disputes between states can originate at the high court, but he added that he "would not grant other relief."

"I express no view on any other issue," Alito wrote.

My bad on the merit quote but this is good enough. imo

the merrit quote was from a judge in the lower courts i just cant remember the name and google isnt helping. but like i said before im out lol beyond done reading articles. at least for today.
01-10-2021 , 06:43 PM
01-10-2021 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
"The motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied.....

the merrit quote was from a judge in the lower courts i just cant remember the name and google isnt helping. but like i said before im out lol beyond done reading articles. at least for today.
There was no lower court judge. The Texas case was filed and dismissed by the Supreme Court despite it having original jurisdiction over this type of dispute. The Supreme Court has a special requirement that a motion must be filed and granted before the actual Complaint can be filed. Alito and Thomas dissented on granting the motion and said they would not grant any of the injunctive relief requested in the complaint.
01-10-2021 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
also to clerify even further im actually a liberal i voted bernie ( trump and bernie actually have alot of overlapping policies) twice i saw trump as the populist flank from the right ( not at first but eventually) . i still think thats true and i will always vote for the populist candiate and i will always vote against people who think they are public masters instead of public servants. i feel like the left cant get over how shitty fat donnys personality is i really think the guy is fighting for americans. his policies say this.
01-10-2021 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
presenting evidence right BEFORE court opposed to when your planning your case are not the same thing .

once again the cases you all keep bringing up are NOT trumps cases only julianis were trumps cases which were three and which Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas said there was merit. look at http://www.pahousegop.com/News/18754...e-and-In-Error in allegheny county having more votes than voters, GA with the fake water pipe bursting and kicking gop pole watchers out then pulling fake ballots out from under a table and all across the board bidens votes spike in the wee hours of the night . dude its laughable. the only way you can believe joe biden won the election fair is if you want to. also they burry this **** i have to go to duckduckgo to even find half of it. im not doing the work for you guys its all there if your objective enough. the capital was a ****ing disgrace i am so pissed when i heard they went in but i guaruntee that was incited by 3 letter agencies ( conspiracy theory i know but i treat it as such) there was more than enough to warrant a trail this was straight black balled . also the dominion machines were literally hard wired to the internet but i bet you didnt see that on cnn huh>?
You are flat out lying and saying stupid disproven conspirator stuff.

Others have already quoted you the Trump cases brought forth by Giuliani and others where they said on Social media 'fraud' but then went in to court and said 'no your honor, we are not here to allege any fraud took place'.

So you are a dupe.

And yes, if you want your case heard you MUST present your evidence tot he court and those you are accusing of wrong doing before you enter the court. Full stop.

You do not get to hold it back to spring it in surprise.

Be smarter.
01-10-2021 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er

once again the cases you all keep bringing up are NOT trumps cases only julianis were trumps cases which were three and which Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas said there was merit.
Bolded is another blatant lie. Alito and Thomas very conspicuously did not opine on the merits.

Last edited by Rococo; 01-10-2021 at 09:40 PM. Reason: bold
01-11-2021 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by fishfood69er
1) yes and i think theres reason to believe this ( also not just any random states all swing states in blue cities)

y
LOL

The suits were only filed in swing states.
That's a perfectly circular argument.

But there is plenty of GOP power in those states. Governors, legislatures etc.

You're saying they all conspired against their political parties to throw the election ?

How do you suppose the logistics behind something like that might work ?
01-11-2021 , 11:28 AM
Yup and beyond that, Trump never cared about a single State he won that changed their voting rules, in the same types of way prior to the election. If he won the State the changes were not cheating. If he lost then it was cheating that needed to disqualify votes.


Much like the 'stop the vote, his supporters were cheating' on election night in States where he jumped out to an early lead, while his supporters were in Arizona chanting 'count every vote' because he was behind and they were hoping for a comeback with the latter votes counted.


This is all just theatre for them.
01-11-2021 , 11:33 AM
Imagine having a football coach who was so convinced his team was unbeatable he proclaimed before the season started it was impossible for them to lose unless cheating was involved.

Most dismissed it as empty rhetoric and his team went on to win all their games. But then they lose their finale and he cries 'the refs cheated'. The review process kicks in and the review shows there was no cheating.

He then says the league is cheating too. And then the owners are cheating, if they agree.

And due to partisan team passions (super fans) the most stupid fans amongst them assume cheating must have taken place. Everyone from the refs, to the review board to the owners all are cheating on behalf of the winner.

Really, it is too dumb to think it could happen but that is because we often underestimate how dumb a certain percent of the populace is.
01-11-2021 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Bolded is another blatant lie. Alito and Thomas very conspicuously did not opine on the merits.
Another one? You mean the only misquote I had answering 20 different questions from 20 different people on 4 different social media platforms...( hyperbole , before “ actually it’s 5 ....... “or whatever ) all the while 4 tabling acr. ..... yeah . One minor slip but they still didn’t deny the case so that must mean there is some merit ....

Also to the other emotional posters on here .... calm down it’s called a debate you get excidet because I attack an idea you have but your not properly equipped with required equipment to defend the idea , hence your anger . Lol I’m done Rocco and boba definitely have good points did change slight perception on some instances for me but over all I’m gonna say it’s definitely over for trump but I think without a doubt there was voter fraud .... enough to turn the election we will never know ....

      
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