Rudy repeatedly said in press conferences and interviews that there was fraud. But every time Rudy was asked point blank by a judge whether he had evidence of fraud or was alleging that there was fraud, he said no. What do you think accounts for that discrepancy?

And what do you think accounts for the unwillingness of serious Republican lawyers to get within 100 miles of Trump's legal cases?

I'm a lawyer. I'm pretty sure I have a better read on the lawsuits than you do.

We are in a civil war already buddy. And your side is going to lose.
No, I will not stand by and listen to right wing treasonous talk and be quite . I call your BS. You are as bad as the terrorists. You are, if not maybe a participant, an enabler.

do you think its smart to put all of your evidence out before your case is in trail ?

i never threatened you first off , i said your rhetoric will and can cause tragedy ( as a whole from the left) to hopefull not someone you care about.( since you dont care about 75 million americans)

also if you saw how big i am you would be so nice to me lol but i am non violent until i have absolutley no other choice.

well do you tell you give your opponents all your work before trail ? no that would be silly right?

also isnt this andrew neemes acct or am i wrong.

The sad irony of people like you is that you look at the fact that tens of millions of people think this election was stolen as an indicator that there must be truth to it. But it's really an indicator of just how incredible stupid, and gullible and easily manipulated tens of millions of Americans are.

But you're too stupid to realize it.

It's heartbreaking.

If you think 75 million people believing in nonsense somehow validates that nonsense, I have news for you. 40% of our country thinks that the earth is 10,000 years old.

You are legally obligated to give your "opponents" all your evidence before trial.

Wow. You got me. It is much better to lose than it is to tip your hand.

In any case, you aren't responding to my point.

When you file a complaint, you have to explain what your causes of action are. If you are alleging fraud, you have to make that clear.

Rudy was never willing to tell a judge that he was alleging fraud. You can be sure there is a reason why he was unwilling to do so. And it wasn't because he was trying to be coy about disclosing his evidence in a super-expedited proceeding.

All of your documentary evidence, yes. And if you plan to call witnesses at trial, you have to identify those witnesses beforehand and give your adversary an opportunity to depose them before trial.

Like I said, you don't have the faintest idea wtf you are talking about.

i wasnt aware of the inside baseball of this side but there is still more evidence , also what specifically were they asking juliani for would be my next question.

the number of people who believe it hasnt swayed my opinion in anything except for the fact of if this is public perception then it must go to court. gov . is only real if people believe in it. you not seeing this is sad.

Here's a decision on a lawsuit filed by the Trump campaign where the judge heard their evidence. It was rejected.

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-electio...tion-lawsuits/

You can read the actual decision, no media filter, at the end of the article.

You're just spreading lies you want to believe that courts have never heard Team Trump's best evidence.

You should also remember that the DOJ presumably had access to every scrap of evidence that Rudy and Sidney Powell were able to find. And after reviewing that evidence, the Head of the DOJ, Bill Barr, stated that there was no evidence of widespread fraud. This is the same Bill Barr who spent the previous two years going into the tank for Trump to an obscene degree.

Why do you think that is?

If Biden won by cheating, why haven't you proven it in court?

Or in the court of public opinion, at least. fishfood here thinks that evidence is, like, something you must keep secret, when that's the opposite of the case.

he didnt say that definitively , it was meant as hes seen it but not enough to prove the whole election was fraudulent. i mean it was less than a month that means the votes had to be counted completely then they have to find fraud, get the evidence, and prove it less than 30 days by the time bar made his statement. ill admit syndney powell is fan fiction also i wonder i mean she is not a nobody she is a fed prosecuter who took down jimmy shagra. the whole thing is crazy man and to dismiss it because the tv box told you too is just as gulible. we know media has lied to get us into war you dont think the media would lie to get the establishments power back from trump?just look at his numbers for a president as controversial as he is its not possible joe biden won. not with the rally trump had , approval rate , stock market , bell weather countys. its not possible to defy this many metrics , no one even watched joes speech right after the election like 1k people lol only the ones who have been WATCHING mainstream media non stop for 4 years believes this ****.

if it all comes out otherwise ill be the first to say i got duped but this is where the establishment ****ed up by not having trumps day in court and leaving 75 million people thinking this was fraudulent. like i said before the most damning evidence is the fact that it didnt go to trail and now the media purge .....a quote i saw on twitter " if you have to silence your opponents , you might be the bad guys"

If you don't know something as straightforward as a lawyer needs to present their evidence, and you aren't aware of the nonsense that transpired in the different court cases, you've really got no clue what you're talking about. None.

Here's an example of one of the rulings against Giuliani, in PA:

I hardly know what to say to this.

Here's just one example of what you can find hundreds of:

https://www.theatlantic.com/educatio...cience/283864/

A quarter of Americans responded that the sun revolves around the earth, and answered positively that "human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals". With over 330 million people in the US, there would be very few crackpot theories that you couldn't find a few million to believe in. The thought that something has to go to court simply because 10 or 20 million people believe it is simply preposterous. Trump has raised hundreds of millions of dollars to try his cases, has had two months to bring forward these mountains of evidence, and has all the power of the presidency and connections to more powerful people than any of us will every meet in our lifetimes, and his lawyers, and other lawyers prosecuting cases on behalf of his supporters, have been able to get no further than having cases thrown out of court - often by Trump-appointed judges.

Most of these stories and anecdotes are about the kind of thing I'm sure we could hear about every election. When more than 150 million people vote, I bet you there are dead people who get votes, and miscounts all over the place. Thousands of mistakes and even fraudulent votes all over the country. And yet never enough to affect any one race, let along multiple races in multiple states. As for the big allegations like an entire semi truck of ballots being driven from state to state, or more people voting than there are voters - do you really think that if something like that happened, they'd be unable to bring evidence to court within 2 months? Really??

Think about something else. At the certification of EC votes, 139 Representatives and 8 Senators objected to certifying PA's votes. 121 Representatives and 6 Senators objected to certifying AZ's votes. A few other states had no Senator to join the Representatives that objected to a handful of other states. That means that even for PA, 72 Representatives and 45 Senators for the Republicans did not object. Only in one state did a majority of Republicans in Congress choose to object - and I'd be pretty shocked if every one of them truly believes there was election fraud. If the evidence of fraud is so obvious, why wouldn't every Republican be objecting in every state where that was the case? And why are there now numerous Republicans not only speaking out against Trump, but also some prepared to impeach him?

What seems more likely to you:

- Cases of massive electoral fraud in several states that is known to millions of people and yet can't be gathered and presented in court in spite of having 2 months, hundreds of millions of dollars, and all the resources one could ever want at their disposal, AND even a majority of Republicans legislators can't be convinced of it?

- A desperate man that has lied to the American people countless times is doing everything he can to hold on to the presidency, and/or using this as an opportunity to retain much of his power and influence while raising hundreds of millions of dollars to be used for a future election, or his own personal gain?

This is so incredibly ridiculous. You talk about people "WATCHING mainstream media non stop for 4 years", yet spew out all of Trump's talking points that he's drilled into you.

Rallies? Ugh. When I heard Trump carry on about that all of the time, I was amazed at the thought it would actually convince people of anything. JFC man, who the **** cares how many people come out to his rallies? Are you even aware there's a pandemic that caused Biden to follow health recommendations and limit crowds, while Trump just said **** it? How is it possible you can't reason this out?

His approval rate has been the worst of any president. If you check on any site that aggregates all the polls, he's never been above 50%. Hell, even right-leaning Rasmussen (who has been Tweeting out weird conspiracy ****) has him below 50% for much of his presidency. How is it not possible to believe he could lose?

Stock market??? Believe it or not, the majority do not vote based on the stock market.

OK, I really have to stop responding to this silliness now. If nothing I've said thus far can move you a millimetre, then this is obviously a lost cause.

Maybe we could finesse it out of him.

Watch My Cousin Vinny.

Oh DAMN. You beat me to it. ****.

Bolded is my favorite argument of all. It basically amounts to "He can't have lost because he is too popular, especially if you ignore the ultimate test of popularity."

No. The comment that sent Trump into orbit, and which Barr never retracted or backed away from, was "to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election."