which 2+2 poster did you sneak that vehicle photo of?

I always say to Buy American

Does this say something about the state of conspiracy theorists in the US? Not the fact that you've got people believing in them, but that they feel it's acceptable enough to let everyone else know about it. I'd suggest it's become far, far more acceptable these days...I'd have been pretty surprised 5 or 10 years ago to see the back of someone's car covered with fake moon landing, flat earth, and 9/11 was an inside job stickers. I'm not saying they didn't exist, but I think they'd be rare whereas the car in the picture doesn't surprise me now. But I'm not American and haven't been down there in a couple of years, so maybe I'm off here.

Regardless, LOL @ the picture. Also, is the driver a potential candidate for the next "Florida man..." headline?

Wow! Somebody stole my car and drove it all the way to Florida!

It certainly does, yes.

As you say the Derps and also the white supremacists have always been amongst us. But outside a few Archie Bunker types with foot in mouth disease most knew to keep their views mostly silent, even from family members. It might escape with the occasional outburst but was then quickly locked back away by most.

I like to believe that most of these people actually knew their positions were shameful even if they could not understand at the core why it was wrong to feel the way they did. Meaning they would be embarrassed if they knew others really knew how they felt on these topics.

What has happened just in the Trump era is these groups were emboldened and told basically to not hide away from it and not be embarrassed by it and come out loud and proud as we support you and think you are right. And it worked. And I think society at large was surprised at actually how many Derps and those holding white supremacist views existed amongst us.

What we thought was more fringe is actually a huge percent of the US population.

Conspiracy theories are a worldwide phenomenon and they have been in America since it’s founding a good podcast about them :

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/19/858812580/conspiracy

I don’t blame the followers (like the Jan 6 rioters) so much. We saw Belarus have a rigged election and people took to the streets. These people literally think the election was stolen so why wouldn’t they take to the streets? The problem is with the people who created the lies and those in power who went along with it or kept quiet about it.

You could def. see a car covered in infowars etc stickers 5-10+yrs ago. All decked out in Q/trump flair is a relatively recent development though

Which is why I keep beating the drum that Trump and those around him need to be charged.

This is the POTUS version of screaming 'Fire' in a crowded theatre.


I do not think it is fair to say 'citizens need to know when they can and cannot trust a POTUS call to action and if they get it wrong they (citizens) go to jail, but if they get it right they may in fact be patriots who help save the Nation.'


That is far too much of a burden to on citizens.

If a POTUS takes to the airwaves and says 'this is a moment where all citizens need to step up and help fight to save our Nation from tyranny' that has to be given significant weight in a society. Such calls are made throughout history and a POTUS like Trump should not be able to say 'I didn't really mean it' and those who followed his call to action, then end up in jail.

The courts need to establish if they will allow that and then Congress needs to put new rules around such 'Calls to Action' by a POTUS or other such officials in terms of culpability.

It's my car (obviously).

Happy Thanksgiving, Cuepee! (Even though Canada already had their Thanksgiving.)

No chance Laggy. You are ly... errr ummmm...

You are ... taking creative license!


I know this as I pass you in your car last week.



Happy Turkey and Genocide of Natives Day to you to Laggy! Yes we Canadians celebrated ours last month.

I thought he was a Canadian, so his bumper stickers should have a ", eh?" at the end of some of those derpslogans. Remember to stay off his landlord's lawn!

Of course they have. The difference now, IMO, is how "mainstream" they have become in the US. By mainstream, I don't mean that most people believe in them, but that it's becoming more acceptable to hold such beliefs, and it seems that the US now actually has a majority of one party's supporters that believe in them to some extent.

An interesting point. Certainly far, far more of the blame goes to those responsible for creating and spreading the lies. But I don't think the followers should be off the hook (and I don't know that you're suggesting that); there should be a burden on every citizen to be able to think critically and see through all the bullshit. At the very least, there is a certain percentage of them who should know better, and likely a smaller percentage that *do* know better but are ignoring their better judgement to push this narrative that they prefer over reality, or maybe in the hope that continuing this nonsense will help "their side" in the next election.

Yeah, that's certainly true. The difference I'm seeing with the latter over the former is that it's far more specific. It's easy enough for someone to say they just like Infowars for the show, whether because they believe in some of it or claim that they think it's ridiculous and funny.

I like it!

Thanks!

Does PETA still refer to the slaughter of millions of turkeys for Thanksgiving as a holocaust? I'll have to visit their website to find out.

Don't tread on me landlord's lawn!

Hmm...

Trump has always shown irritation when people in his orbit make money off this Stop the Steal stuff that he thinks should all flow thru him.

Inevitable that they all eat each other eventually??

He also said Powell tried "to bed" him.

'Coup in a Box'??

Trump lawyer's memo on six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election


John Eastman, a conservative lawyer working with then-President Donald Trump's legal team, outlined in a two-page memo a scheme to try to persuade then-Vice President Mike Pence to subvert the Constitution and throw out the 2020 election results on January 6.

The memo was obtained by The Washington Post's Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, the authors of "Peril," and which was subsequently obtained by CNN....

...
1 - VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).

2 - When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.

3 - At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th Amendment – is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe. A “majority of the electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.

4 - Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.

5 - One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one – a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate of electors, if they had not already done so.

6 - The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position – that these are non-justiciable political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.

And lest we forget as Trump officials do appear and start taking the 5th.

At least they (I think) actually believe in the theft of the election. Like if one were so dumb one didn't know the difference between a real fire and one depicted on film could they really be held accountable for shouting fire in a theatre during a scene depicting fire?

People involved in running the entirely false Russiagate conspiracy theory have been and continue to be criminally prosecuted, even with the new administration in charge. But that doesn't stop you from thinking Russiagate is real. The only reason you wouldn't be charged under your own standard is that you don't have the balls to actually do anything against those you thought were infiltrating us and committing treason against us whereas the Trumpers did have the balls.

The false equivalence industry has certainly thrived with the derps.

Anyways, as to whether you can hold dummies accountable for being a genuine dummy (assuming no verifiable medical issue is involved) - the answer is yes, otherwise everyone will use the dummy defense when needed. I did not think setting that dude on fire would do anything since I saw it on a pro wrestling show. Not my fault - Russiagate! Hunter!

All the best.

haha so much stupidity in one post.

Russiagate has been unquestionable and indisputably established as a very serious crime. Nothing has been done and no charges filed have done anything to undue that.

Take your CT nonsense elsewhere.

Lol..I definitely think Trump should have been convicted after the Ukraine call by the Senate and I think 99% of the country would agree that at least 1 of set {Trump, Biden} should be removed from office if he committed that behavior.

I don’t think I should be charged by my standard for storming the Capitol after that vote I disagreed with on the “technicality” that I didn’t storm the Capitol.

You're the one pushing a CT. You are so deluded you can't even recognize Russiagate as a CT. I'm arguing against the CT in this case.

I don't know of too many "unquestionable and indisputably established" crimes with the property of those evidencing the crime are prosecuted and not one person is prosecuted for the alleged crime. How many people have to be convicted for pushing Russiagate before you acknowledge it was nothing but a conspiracy theory hijack of the resistance to Trump orchestrated by the security state and their acolytes?

I think you are just jealous of the Trumper's faith and will to action. I think you could see Russian tanks rolling through your neighborhood and you would just start posting about it.

Don't forget about Hillary's emails!

All the best.