Satan. We know you're talking about Satan. Nobody is going to ban you for this.

Can't argue with lagtight, would have a better chance teaching a gold fish to drive

I neither confirm nor deny your assertion.

Would like to see a moderator comment on this assertion.

I stand in firm opposition to both the occult and superstition.

I for one would welcome a join effort by washoe and laggy to present their case that it is Satan that brought upon this virus that is not a virus, and I hope the mods will allow it in the future.

Bitterly disappointed that neither Bigfoot nor the Pope are penciled in to be at least bit players in this conspiracy.

lagtight,

You don't have to comment on COVID specifically, but as a general matter, do you believe that diseases exist because they are one of the ways that God punishes humans for their wickedness?

Your beliefs aren't a secret. To borrow a phrase from Robert Bork, you believes that the United States is slouching towards Gomorrah.

So what you are saying is ...there is hope...




:: has renewed faith in Laggy ::

I believe the forum would benefit with a simple Catch All thread for such topics. In Rotten Tomatos they would create various 'Containment threads' where it was known if you wanted to go down certain lines, you were expected to take it there and not derail current threads and because people would get infractions if they ignored it, they generally moved them willingly with a comment like 'lets take this to the CT Containment thread so we don't get in trouble'.

No one who did not want to read that stuff was then forced to but when something was raised that was tangential but borderline it could be discussed.

I would suggest in this forum we could have a 'Containment thread for CT's, Cult and Religion, etc' which would capture that talk when it is Politics and Society related but we don't want it overwhelming the main threads.

I can certainly understand why Laggy may have been warned if he was evangelizing. the people I have known who are Born Again Christians take an unrelenting view. They believe they are called to convert, or bring to God any one and everyone, and even it it meant spamming in a way that drove away one million, if it got one conversion they would consider that a win.

Most would tell you they do not believe in compromise in this area as this is their calling, obligation and duty. That it irritates those who are not BAC is irrelevant to them.

Fair Laggy?

And is it fair to say that you believe that adult victims of disease are generally more wicked than their disease-free comrades (controlling for factors like age, etc.).

In other words, imagine two identical twins live next door to each other. Neither twin smokes. They have similar exercise and eating habits. One twin has lung cancer. The other is very healthy. Is it likely that the twin with lung cancer is more wicked than the twin without lung cancer?

Maybe to some extent (i.e. some diseases are a direct consequence of sinful choices).

Probably not.

Like everyone else, I interpret all of my life experiences through the lens of a worldview.

One's worldview not only dictates how one interprets evidence, but even dictates what counts as evidence and what doesn't.

What if one of the twins had HIV or AIDS in the above scenario?

Correct, but in the case of a Young Earth Creationist, Born again Christian, you impose the tightest of narrow lens around what can fit within your world view.

Anything that does not is simply dismissed as wrong, not because it is necessarily provable wrong but because to adhere to your faith you must accept and believe it to be wrong.

That is different than others on the planet who have no preset lens thru which things must filter to be true.


Laggy on whether 'A' can be true or accurate - 'It might be. As long as it does not directly conflict with my belief system yes we can examine it and consider whether it is accurate or not. If it directly conflicts with my belief system, we need not examine it as I will never accept it is correct and accurate and thus my faith is wrong. '

Others on whether 'A' can true or accurate - 'The evidence and data will determine that.'


So based on that O.A.F.K. statement is accurate.

AIDS/HIV is usually a consequence of sinful behavior.

False.

While you (correctly) identify me as a YEC, that is NOT a NECESSARY consequence of my worldview. There are many Old Earth Creationists who share my Biblical worldview.

To employ an analogy, two Supreme Court Justices could be "Strict Original-Intent Constitutionalists", yet still render a different verdict on a particular case before the court.

On essentials UNITY, on non-essentials LIBERTY, on all things CHARITY.

What if it was via blood transfusion? Do you make the effort to determine if it was sinful behavior or not, according to your whatever standards, before passing your meaningless judgment? Thanks in advance.

To address your point with a less contentious issue:

Lung Cancer can be a consequence of unwitting exposure to harmful substances, in which case the disease would not a consequence of sinful behavior.

Conversely, getting Lung Cancer as a consequence of smoking three packs of cigarettes every day for twenty years would likely be a consequence of sinful behavior.

smoking cigarettes is a sin. A sin! egads, sounds like my definition of sin is different than yours. A friggin SIN!

seems like it would be difficult for anyone to get past the pearly gates. besides, I think I would rather spend eternity with hookers and blow......

I would think that sin in Western religion, and I am no expert to be sure, would include various forms of self-destructive behavior where harm to others isn't necessarily a factor, disregarding the concerns of second-hand smoke and its harm to others.

Oh I kno.... Thou Shalt Not Covet (a smoke).

Nice derail you are contributing to.

What Laggy can or can not post and/or is smoking a sin.

So when you are onboard with a derail, no need to aggressively split threads.

Want to discuss covid passports in a covid thread, SPLIT EM UP BOI.

Want to discuss if smoking is a sin, carry on.

AIDS.

Just imagine if someone who has AIDS also smoked...

Hey, at least the alt-right version of the character that posts contentless Twitter links went back to posting accounts that have relatively few followers, so that does show the power of the various platforms in how they determine the content derps like that consume, which has always been a feature of this debate!

What is "false"?

Are you saying you would accept something scientific that absolutely went against your faith and beliefs?

Because that is my main point and what I am saying O.A.F.K is correct about. It has to fit your faith first and if not, no matter the science or logic you will deny it to be true.