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Old 10-14-2021, 08:55 PM   #76
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Musk does not have any super powers, jeeze. Gimme a break. ... I have to eat his bullshit.
I actually don't think we are far off as I don't think anyone needs to eat his hype either. I don't.

I did not eat the bullshit of the Steve Job cultists either.

But I also won't eat the bullshit of the haters who are the flip side of the same coin.

They go as far into anti hype as he does hype.

Buying something does not mean it was going to be successful regardless.

Electric cars were always more of a pet project than a real business due to the mass amounts of money to succeed in the space.

When California tried to force it pre Musk, all the big auto companies lobbied, and likely big oil too, to kill that effort and they succeeded. Big Auto then united and proclaimed the electric car was dead to them.

As long as one of them never chased it then none of them had too. Why spend all that R&D to build it out to just swap one type of car sale for another, especially when electric cars were far more expensive.

It is BECAUSE Musk was able to build a crazy cult following (like Steve Jobs) that he was able to endure, raise so money and have buyers lined up. That is his biggest skill. He recognizes spaces with opportunity and is able to raise the mass amounts of cash to get there.

That is not easy nor something to be dismissed.

Think about it. Tesla, SpaceX, his Solar City, his Battery Tech each and every one requires mass amounts of money up front to build out before you get to any revenue.

Look at something like Facebook which has a relatively cheap build out (programming and Servers) and the costs scale as your ability to make money off them do.

I simply reject that you could plop anyone into Musks seat and see all these initiatives moving forward as they are.
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Old 10-14-2021, 09:27 PM   #77
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Yeah, most people cought wind of it though when he was on that tv show and that's when they hopped on that train. You can call them naive call them stupid. But at that time the price was at 0.60. Now it's 0.20.
What was it that Elon said about dogecoin on SNL that sparked your fancy to purchase some dogies and hop on the train?

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Old 10-14-2021, 10:09 PM   #78
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What was it that Elon said about dogecoin on SNL that sparked your fancy to purchase some dogies and hop on the train?
My guess is this:

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Old 10-15-2021, 06:54 PM   #79
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The rates are only higher for the autopilot imo. But you're right I don't have any numbers for this. It's just a hunch. I mean what other cars have autopilots? None if im not mistaking.
So, you're calling Teslas death traps on a hunch? LOL. Rather than relying on your hunches, next time you're searching for anecdotes about how terrible Teslas are, maybe spend 30 seconds doing a search for safety studies? I don't know if there are many industries that are more scrutinized in terms of governmental oversight and industry media (Car & Driver, Consumer Reports, etc.) than the automotive industry. I did a search, and guess what I found? Tesla constantly at or near the top of ratings. You know what I didn't find? Any studies that showed Tesla was so much worse than every other car that it would be remotely reasonable to call them death traps.

That doesn't mean they're the best cars in existence, or that there aren't some sad and unfortunate stories out there. And it doesn't negate your other criticisms of Musk. But your death trap assertion was beyond ridiculous.

Cuepee made some great points:

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I'm confused by this post.

Tesla does not have an Autopilot. They have a Driver Assist technology that many other Auto makers have, and they are not a leader in Driver Assist tech.

Only a few companies so far are at the earliest stages of auto pilot per my links above with the stats. But only in very condition limited trials.


In terms of what Tesla does have, Driver Assistance, the 10 deaths seem like a tiny number as explained upthread. What you need to compare it to, to see if it a death trap, is a comparison of how many people are dying in cars WITHOUT drivers assistance on, in a similar number of vehicles.

As long as any vehicles with driver assist have lower death rates per percent vehicles on the road as compared to non driver assist vehicles, it would be irresponsible to label them death traps.

it seems to me all vehicles are death traps by the way you are labelling this now as anyone can point to many deaths in any type of vehicle.
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Cuepee pls do me a favor and google how to activate tesla autopilot. You will be amazed.
I have no idea what your point was. The video backs up what he said about driver assist technology, and provided nothing I found even slightly concerning.
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Old 10-15-2021, 09:44 PM   #80
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My guess is this:

It was either that or Elon's explanation of circulating supply that did it.
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Old 10-16-2021, 12:16 AM   #81
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Washoe definitely owns 42 different warranties for the same vehicle.
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Old 10-16-2021, 10:53 AM   #82
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Nobody with a rational brain thinks a Tesla is a bad vehicle. It's the first EV to get over 200 miles per charge, and isn't ugly (unreleased truck not included).

As far as Musk, he's a megalomaniac who knows he has a cult like following and will be able to gift them for everything.
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Old 10-16-2021, 02:43 PM   #83
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Trolly, for instance, is extremely sour about the fact that he still lives with his mom and takes it out on others.

Life isn't over at 35. There's plenty of time to figure it out.
Isn't he some kind of professional scientist? You're the ****in' assistant to the landlord!!

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Old 10-16-2021, 02:51 PM   #84
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Musk does not have any super powers, jeeze.
Sure he does. He has 200 billion dollars. That gives him power, influence, and possibilities that the average person can never obtain.

I mean, yeah, he wasn't bitten by a radioactive spider, he merely was born into a millionaire family of emerald mine exploiters and used that as a springboard to obtain the type of wealth that no human should ever have.

His influence was sufficient to overrun local laws and regulations and throw his workers back into the COVID pit before they were supposed to be allowed to return to on-site work. I wonder if those workers were tweeting about Musk's sick dogecoin crypto cult **** from their hospital beds as they were put on the ventilators.

Any decent society is taking 95+% of this robber baron's wealth.
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Old 10-16-2021, 07:27 PM   #85
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Enough to bother me for some time when looking at the price. Still bothers me. He said he will put a dogecoin on the moon. (Literally through his spaceX)
The fact that a minimal amount of research reveals that the supply of dogecoin is effectively infinite did not trouble you when you made this purchase?
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Old 10-18-2021, 11:39 AM   #86
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This seems to be the best thread for this since it deals with 'Trust' and since I do not think it needs its own thread.



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Amazon also recently raised the hackles of some privacy advocates by launching a service, called Sidewalk, that links Amazon-enabled smart devices. The low-bandwidth network taps into a customer's home WiFi to connect Alexa smart speakers, Ring security cameras, Tile location trackers and other outdoor sensors.

While I do believe gov'ts have horribly failed to set minimum standards for Privacy Limits on what type of data Big Data can and cannot take or ask for in their TOS that no one reads, this is the type of service I would gladly give my palm print for.

Yes I trade convenience for my privacy already with the far more invasive NEXUS card that allows me to bypass lines in Airports and thus bypassing the lines in Stores with less invasive tech would not be something I would fuss over.
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Old 10-18-2021, 11:45 AM   #87
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Quick point on the above as it really is one of my pet peeves.

Most people don't know, as they do not read them, but the TOS for many free App's are just what are called Permission Banks.

You give them the right to basically do anything they want with your phone. They can access your camera and watch you, access your microphone and listen to you. You agree they can go in and delete and replace App's if they want and upload new Apps. You agree they can go in and read and copy all your data in any files or documents.

Many of the App makers who make the commodity Apps (flashlight, calculator, etc) do so only because the Permission Banks have value. You can sell them.

Imagine in the future you have an App that you know can be worth massive money if it gets uploaded 1 Million times (?whatever?) the first day or week. You buy enough Banked Permissions to just upload it without asking. We are all used to our Phone suppliers adding App's and other things in their updates. It is not uncommon. Now instead the private App maker or company can do so.

Gov'ts could have easily dictated that such default permissions cannot be blanket given in a mass TOS agreement, and MUST be asked each and every time.
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Old 10-18-2021, 05:13 PM   #88
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This seems to be the best thread for this since it deals with 'Trust' and since I do not think it needs its own thread.

While I do believe gov'ts have horribly failed to set minimum standards for Privacy Limits on what type of data Big Data can and cannot take or ask for in their TOS that no one reads, this is the type of service I would gladly give my palm print for.

Yes I trade convenience for my privacy already with the far more invasive NEXUS card that allows me to bypass lines in Airports and thus bypassing the lines in Stores with less invasive tech would not be something I would fuss over.
Whenever Big Data does something, it's important to remember that convenience is just a selling point. The overarching goal is just to get various data into their closed and almost completely deregulated eco-systems. They want to predict your behavior and control what seems available to you, the one with the biggest key to that data-set has enormous market power. As we saw in the Cambridge Analytica scandal, it also gives enormous political power.

It can superficially seem as a fair trade-off if we just look at what happens in the interaction itself, but it is important to remember that the other tools in their toolbox is to kill competition, use international structures that make regulation impossible in practice, block oversight and destroy, exhaust or make invisible 3rd parties that try to hold them to even the slightest levels of transparency. These days, national governments are included on that 3rd party list.

In my eyes this is not a healthy development. We're outsourcing how we live, trade, act and interact to a 3rd party with minimal insight into what they're doing behind closed doors or what their plans are for the future.
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Old 10-18-2021, 06:57 PM   #89
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We are. It's scary.

And yet I still want to skip the lines.

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