- hyped up dogecoin - lots of people lost their money becuase of him. Lots of money! me too,what a goofball!

- hyped up teslas self driving mode. Lots of people lost their lifes ( look it up )
Self driving mode of teslas is a death trap

- pretends to be an autist on SNl to get empathy- well Im an autist too then- everybody is ( a little imo) I get why people call him a scam artist
(not to make fun of autistic people, but his timing is odd to anounce this on a late night prime tv show. He could be one, I lmow lots of poeple who could be autisic (myself included and part of my family)

- hates his father, does not talk to him -

insert your stuff here:

There used to be a common response to stuff like this.

Twoplustwo is not your blog.

Who says you have to trust Musk?

His operations are extensively publicly subsidized. I would say there is some trust implicit in that.

You do not. But many people trusted him and bought dogecoin. I don't wanna know how many people really got hurt by this, possibly ruined. College students to regular people gambled on this because, It's elon the one man show. The most genius person on earth/s

He was it who proudly announced that his cars are safe.
He promised his customers that the self drive mode is safe and ready to use. He also put this mode into his cars without making sure it's ready. He promised that it would work. Some customers took his word for this and are dead now.

The damage this guy did is incredible. He has and urge for advertisement or pushing of new tech. I've counted about 10 people dead through this, it could be more. They turned on self drive and the system failed them. It's not ready yet and he should get sued.

Yes they are. He is meets up and talks with top politicians. He gets red carpeted everywhere. Out top guys here met up with him. He is building new TESLA factories here.

How much Dogecoin did you purchase when it was at its near peak price? He was going to be a on a TV show, so it was an understandable time for someone who did minimal research on the product to dive in, because if it goes down soon after the blame can be put on someone else.

Enough to bother me for some time when looking at the price. Still bothers me. He said he will put a dogecoin on the moon. (Literally through his spaceX)

Well, he can say whatever he likes. You are an adult, so you are the one responsible for your own choices, and if you choose to hurl money at something based on a gut feeling then you are the one that takes responsibility for your choice.

You created a thread about it in the BFI forum at the time and got encouragement of your approach from a poster there who has a laughable track record with regard to the crypto space. He often gets mocked for all the 100% guaranteed predictions he made that failed to come true. Did you do any due diligence on that poster? Nope. You thanked him for his encouraging words then charged forward with a poorly thought out investment.

You have that behavior pattern here as well. You charge into things without really thinking about them. Now, one can make the case that you spending dozens or hundreds of hours doing research on the internet and YouTube is probably a relatively good idea for you, as all it costs is your time. In the case of Doge you hurled money at it as essentially a pure gamble, without doing it for the fun gamble aspect. Try to avoid that behavior in the future when it comes to your money.

As for you creating these type of blog threads - consider using the blog forum here to do that and post what you like. People use it for all sorts of things. One dude uses it to store thousands of barely adult, barely clothed pictures of women.

Reasons not to read threads started by washoe.

I googled this as i am curious.

I found this Open Source spreadsheet that tracks each and every Tesla related death for any cause.

Here is the summary : Tesla Deaths Total as of : 210 | Tesla Autopilot Deaths Count: 10 |

Reviewing that data it shows 10 Autopilot related deaths, so is that what you are referring to with the "...lots of people lost their lifes..." comment?

And I am challenging that statement as I am not sure if 10 is a high number as a percent of the cars on the road (I am going to scan this data more later).

My personal observation about Tesla Autopilot is some people do way over estimate what it can do, particularly young males (shock).

I remember one of the most sensational Autopilot death stories was of a car that launched off a highway and caught fire and the person in the passenger seat and back seat burned to death. Oh, there was no one in the driver seats at all. The driver, in a stunt had seemingly left the drivers seat and jumped across to the passenger seat to prove a point.

Without a doubt self driving technology is a boon to the safety of vehicles with it ability to correct driving errors. The problem is not the tech, even at its current state. The problem is that certain people see that self driving tech CAN make some corrections and they wrongly then rely on it to make ALL corrections. It is human stupidity.

Anyway curious what TS and others see in the data about Tesla deaths?

One of the things I always advised people when driving tired (if you could not convince them not to drive that way at all) was never to use their cruise control.

You need to stay more active, not less, and to drift off naturally will at least see the car start to decelerate, whereas Cruise control sees it continue at full speed.

Autopilot is much better in that regard. It has the same issue that inactivity may lead some to be more likely to fall asleep, but at least it can and does correct to keep the car on the road and decelerate if a collision risk is detected.

What I can see society will do, at least for a while, is treat every Autopilot death as if each is a unique preventable tragedy that should be zero or not tolerated meanwhile even if you get 100X normal car driving deaths, it just passes as old news.

The goal of Autopilot tech should simply be 'better than human results' and at that point it should be fine to fully run, as it continually improves.

the guy is pretty obviously just a conman.

Serious???

Certainly he is a massive promoter. He sets himself up for criticism by saying he will hit a grand slam homerun every single time he gets up to bat.

Electric Cars, Self Driving Cars, Battery, Solar and Space tech, all will be Grand slam homeruns.

So on that page I am with anyone critical of him. But a conman is generally someone I consider selling air and Elon's path has not been air. To continue the baseball analogy you can argue he getting solidly on base in each area he gets into.

- Paypal - he was a leader in this internet based ePayment system that is now a standard and mainstay of the internet (Homerun)

- Electric Cars - Tesla auto sales will almost certainly not hit hi lofty projections (Single) but the impact Tesla has had in FORCING change worldwide towards electric vehicles is a homerun.

- SpaceTech - with gov'ts largely checked out, SpaceX achieved the first vertical soft landing of a reusable orbital rocket stage. This was massive for the industry both as technology leap and a push for others to keep investing. Much like Tesla being foundational in changing the auto industry, SpaceX is foundational in changing/creating the space exploration industry. (Homerun)

- Battery & Solar - More of a single here. If a homerun comes it will likely be by some of the numerous other players all pursuing the next big innovation in Battery and Solar tech. But again that will deliberately attributable to the demand Elon's other initiatives have helped trigger that are making these advancements necessary and thus very lucrative to pursue.


I actually am not an Elon fan generally. I do not have a fondness for hype artists. I have never owned his stock. But I do feel there is a certain irrational hate of him that leads so many to deny he has ever done a thing of value and to suggest his entire career has been one of fraud and hype when I do not think anyone should deny that he may well end up being one of the most influential people of all time. as the various areas he plays in are built out and in so many areas may be core to the future of this planet tech.

Maybe don’t buy meme stocks pitched by a scam artist.

Musk is an example of how some people can drag society kicking and screaming into a better future, and still get called an ******* for doing it.

Like it or not, you need people like him. You accept the good with the bad.

No, nobody NEEDS this 21st century robber baron wannabe Tony Stark. A ruthless exploiter, birthed into a ruthlessly exploitative family.

The following is far from the worst thing this monster has done, but is interesting:

Musk restarted his plant in California in May 2020, violating his area's laws regarding COVID. When local authorities tried to get him to stop he whined about moving his operations to Texas. He tweeted about the "fascist" COVID restrictions and in March 2020 claimed that COVID would be at a "negligible" rate by "the end of April" 2020. There's zero doubt that his actions directly lead to countless employees getting unnecessarily sick.

Any just society would take 95+% of his wealth (mostly earned via speculation on his shitty, otherwise unprofitable companies) and give it to the needy and the working class.

Hey creationist, you know what would directly and immediately give society a better future (and present)? Taking ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY SEVEN BILLION dollars from Musk's pockets and giving it to the citizens of this very society you're concerned about.

The dude is worth 199.8 billion dollars. This is indicative of a failed economy. No one person or family should be allowed to accrue this type of wealth. And given our extremely weak estate tax laws, this money will be hoarded by unproductive fail-Musk-children until the sun burns out. Starting with Elon's son that is named A ES III IV or whatever.

Edit: guy already has 7 children. Gross

There are 38K deaths on the road in the US per year. Tesla has ~1.5% total market share, so you would expect around 570 deaths per year. They have 210 total?? Sounds like these Teslas are pretty safe.

And only 10 of Tesla's deaths are attributed to Autopilot, so it seems Tesla Autopilot as comparted to the rest is enormously safe with only a fraction of a fraction of 1%.

Plus, full self-driving robotaxis are just around the corner!

You sound like a dumb person.

Lol, Dogecoin is 100 times higher than it was a year ago and a little more than half off its bubbled high.

The gentleman offered some of his exceptionalism, free of charge, a product that gained more than 99.9% of all securities in a one in a lifetime investment opportunity and you still ****ed it up.

Dogecoin is a joke, it was literally created as a joke and has 0 utility. He doesn't hold any, anymore. He got people to put $ into it and cashed out.

He's created his own crypto for the sole purpose to grift more poor people out of $ who are too scared to buy bitcoin because they think the price is too high and don't understand market cap.

Utility is meaningless.

What is meaningful is a con man entered the room and convinced folks to buy something that is a joke, created as a joke, has zero utility and what remains after he liquidates is position is a product equal to the size of General Mills. That's some serious trust for a con man.