Trolly, for instance, is extremely sour about the fact that he still lives with his mom and takes it out on others.

Life isn't over at 35. There's plenty of time to figure it out.

Certainly there is a pettiness to human nature. A natural tendency and emotion that is tied to jealousy that makes people petty and dismissive and often leads to them wanting to see the person fail, rather than see a success they are not a part of.

There are plenty of reasons to be critical of Musk and I don't shy away from them but there is also a very irrational hate, that makes some have to suggest he deserves no credit in any of the businesses he has been a part of.

Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX, all would have been better off without him. He was only a drag on everything he touched that had to be over come. ... or so they need to convince themselves.

So weird.

It's not that 'anyone' could do these things. It's that 'someone' was going to do it.

And why knock a guy who has money and power who acts like a prick ?

Why not ?

What shortcomings do I perceive in myself that makes me understand that we all possess assets and liabilities in our character and that we all live in the same world and live off of each other to a greater or lesser degree ?

Asking for a friend.

It is more the view that no business person, not Henry Ford, not Jobs, not Gates, not Musk.. none of them deserve an ounce of credit and all deserve disdain because 'someone else would have done it', that is the discussion here.

I am knocking Musk. I have no issue with that. But when you extend that out to deny he or the other Founders have no value in the companies they spawn, zero and actually were a liability, it then goes into crazy zone.

it becomes more like Politics where you just deny anything and every thing positive or even neutral about a person simply because they are not on your perceived side.

You can see I am being associated with Musk cultist because I simply give him some credit for certain areas of his success. Nope, just irrationally hate on everything or you must be a cultist lover.

Fact is, you are much closer to being a cultist if you so identify with 'sides' that you cannot be objective.


It is sad when all objectivity is lost in every single area of life.

No, that's taking it too far. They deserve credit for what they do well and criticism for what they do poorly.

That being said,
Musk is in the top two list for richest guys in the world. He's fair game. I don't think he's losing sleep over it.

Agreed.

And I don't approve the sycophantic near worship that seems to have got attached to this group of celebrity CEO's.

I am old enough to remember when a CEO being paid well meant he was a comfortable millionaire, and not a multi billionaire. Especially those who were not founders of the companies they joined and are amongst the professional rotating CEO ranks.

They made them celebrities as a way to hype up the stock ('oh we got a magic man. Let the stock soar!') but now the top pay is not being earned by most of them at the proportions they contribute. Many are paid mass amounts when the companies do nothing but decline in their tenure and they eventually leave with a great package in tow.

That was a mistake.

I don't think you should utter another word about Tesla safety until you provide some evidence to back up this amazing claim:

Or if you don't have any, just admit it was extreme hyperbole that you aren't able to back up.

Bobo I linked a few articles. I think I can very well back this up.

Here are the problems with the autopilot as described by an expert.

And finally this: At a tesla exebition in china, a woman stood on the hood of the tesla and screamed that her tesla mailfunctioned. There are numerous events where teslas batteries just exploted and cought fire. Even from some high profile people. Pls read this article:

Cliffs: tesla has a problem with burning batteries and so do the fire departments:
http://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/bu...texas.amp.html

“It took four hours to put out a fire that normally would have taken a matter of minutes,” Constable Herman said, adding that it took more than 30,000 gallons of water to extinguish the fire."[/QUOTE]

So yes the battery can set fire out of the blue, but it is unlikely. When it does that you are screwed though. It just keeps buring. Some people overestimated the autopilots abilities, but that was due to elons bold claims imo. Anyways he did some great things. I was one of the first people who really used and apreciated paypal. Im just mad at his dogecoin hype. When he hyped doge it was around 60 cents, that was the time him hosting SNL. Now its at 20 cent. So if you put in all your money, its value now is one third. That is a set back which pisses of lot of people now.

Cliffs, this video tells you that teslas are actually pretty safe:
(Title is clickbait and misleading)

Cars = Dangerous.

Trucks = Really, Really, Really Dangerous.

Sorry W. I'm not here because I'm mature.

Tesla’s Fully Self Driving Autopilot is perfectly safe if you remember that it’s actually a glorified driver assist and not an actual self-driving autopilot. The danger comes in when hardcore Branch Elonoans who believe the hype try doing stupid **** like taking a nap or watching a movie while it’s on.

If his mom really loved him she would march down the basement steps, wade through the soda cans and wrappers, and slap the **** out of him.

Sure, but leading a tirade of stupid **** like promoting Tesla vehicles as super dangerous death traps won't lead to you overcoming your issues with envy.

Also, moving forward, taking financial advice from a known con man on speculative crypto currencies usually won't pan out well despite the overwhelming potential success that anyone who followed Elon's tweets in 2020 regarding Doge had been given.

Sir, this is not your personal erotica site.

He called someone a pedophile just because he dared challenge his egorific self-image. That's a pretty good reason, isn't it?

LOL, I guess I really should have known better than to not be more specific.

I know all you need to jump into a topic is a few anecdotal stories, but for most of us, proof that Teslas are "death traps" requires more than that. Like, some actual data. For a vehicle to qualify as a "death trap", I'd expect to see fatality rates happening in Teslas at multiple times that of other cars. Do you have such data?

Remember when he said he was going to build a mini-sub in a week to help those kids out of a cave? Or promised he was going to do something about the water in Flint? The dude bounces from one half-baked promise to another, whether it's robotaxis, Hyperloops, Cybertrucks, etc. etc.

Musk is the greatest confidence man in history

And I'm not mature? Just say that its another crap thread if you think so. Maybe it is. I'm not so confident anymore.

The rates are only higher for the autopilot imo. But you're right I don't have any numbers for this. It's just a hunch. I mean what other cars have autopilots? None if im not mistaking.

Yeah, most people cought wind of it though when he was on that tv show and that's when they hopped on that train. You can call them naive call them stupid. But at that time the price was at 0.60. Now it's 0.20.

I'm confused by this post.

Tesla does not have an Autopilot. They have a Driver Assist technology that many other Auto makers have, and they are not a leader in Driver Assist tech.

Only a few companies so far are at the earliest stages of auto pilot per my links above with the stats. But only in very condition limited trials.


In terms of what Tesla does have, Driver Assistance, the 10 deaths seem like a tiny number as explained upthread. What you need to compare it to, to see if it a death trap, is a comparison of how many people are dying in cars WITHOUT drivers assistance on, in a similar number of vehicles.

As long as any vehicles with driver assist have lower death rates per percent vehicles on the road as compared to non driver assist vehicles, it would be irresponsible to label them death traps.

it seems to me all vehicles are death traps by the way you are labelling this now as anyone can point to many deaths in any type of vehicle.

Cuepee pls do me a favor and google how to activate tesla autopilot. You will be amazed.

Musk does not have any super powers, jeeze. Gimme a break. It's not that, "the pieces of tech were there" it's that they were all working on electric cars too. They had electric cars and hybrids and all of that ****. They did not have a cool internet following.


Ford was a notorious bigot, but he was not a fraud in my opinion.


I don't get your challenge, that's not my issue with musk. There is nothing wrong with buying **** and making money off of it. The hype around him as some kind of brilliant person with, lol, "super powers" is stupid. That's what I am commenting on. Just because he bought an electric car company with his dad's money and pretended he was the only game in town does not mean I have to eat his bullshit.