Here is one example of systemic racism and legacy bias in the work place.

The Glass ceiling.

Many companies had very public policies all through the 70's and well into the 80's with regards to POC or minorities not being eligible for management positions. Only white males to apply.

OK so now you have an unobstructed path for 20. 30 and 40 year old white males moving into management and the ranks are loaded up.

We only now have the last group (20 year olds) moving into their retirement years.

So you have a period of 5 decades (of course i could go back further and it would be worse) where the management ranks were bloated, without competition of POC or women, unfairly.

Now you may say, not all of those managers would be racist, ...so what?

For sake of this argument lets assume not even one of them is racist. That does not mean they can avoid normal human biases in hiring.

We all have biases. They do not dominate our decisions 100% of the time and a 'woke' person can see there biases and over ride them but the fact is, if your management ranks are filled with mostly white European males and they are interviewing otherwise equally qualified candidates, the one that reminds him of his son, his brother, himself, and played the same sports growing up ('oh you played hockey too') is going to win over the one he has almost no identifiable connection to, speaks with a heavy an uncommon accent and has a different skin colour.

So now that massive cohort of 70's and 80's white males has put in place much of the next cohort which is not all as white as them, as the glass ceiling has been removed but there is impact none-the-less.

In the 90s' and 2000's companies notice that management ranks are not refelcting the work place or society in terms of diversity (POC and women) despite no formal glass ceiling but they realize hiring bias, even though mostly subconscious, is a very real thing. Companies start heavy education programs so people can see their biases and avoid them (woke), but also start requiring managers focus on diversifying their ranks.

Certain people call out these efforts as 'preferential' or 'quotas' while they never acknowledge how not only preferential to whites but exclusionary to POC and women the system was prior for over 100 years. 100 years of advantage starts to finally get corrected and that is when 'no preferences' should be applied.

"the "i got my preference for 100 years so now we need to get rid of all preference and move everyone to bootstraps'.

Yeah, amazing how insta-****ing-quickly "racism" and "sexism" become overwhelmingly important when any policy de-preferences white males.

totally agree with this post.

I don't think individual racism, outside a few areas and examples is the biggest issue for POC. It is institutional or systemic racism.

A cop may not overtly think 'black people are criminals' but he may see the police stats showing how many blacks were busted for marijuana in his area and go along with that stopping and ultimately arresting more blacks due to the bias in the system.

The banker may not be racist but due to internal redlining practices they may not even be aware of find they are rejecting more blacks.

Those are generally the far more damaging quiet racism impacts that hurt POC more than the overt racism of someone who might call them the NWord but otherwise have no power over them.

Ya you might be surprised by my answer.

Things WERE trending in the right way. POC and women today across the board have it better and an easier path than their peers did in the 60's. 70's and 80's. Even white males do despite the competition.

That does not mean things do not need to keep better and that the focus can come off.

BUT

I do absolutely believe that there are extreme agitators on both the left and right who did not like that things were just getting better and you had daylight non seeing these not be issues at all, and they did not like the fact they would be without a job or purpose soon and started to stir **** up.

The advent of Social Media was the perfect tool for them.

I started to notice it in the early 2000's with what i call the Ooboo's.

People who are

Offended
On
Behalf
Of
Others

It was rarely the POC or woman or Native complaining about some issue (Washington Redskins, etc) and was typically some white university academic complaining on their behalf. Whipping up emotions and turning it into an issue on their behalf.

Quite frankly POC and woman and others had bigger issues such as maximizing personal opportunity, to focus on how offensive Aunt Jemima might be.


The Ooboo's did not want to become irrelevant and social media gave them new life and suddenly these issues seem worse then they were in 60's when that is not even close to accurate.

All in the Family and Archie Bunker taught us the best way to deal with race relations. Laugh and marginalize and poke fun at those with out dated, and racist ideas and others will move away from that.

Todays strategy too often polarizes people and actually drives them towards the Archie Bunker and makes those types of guys willing to 'say it' the heroes. Suddenly you see the guys once who would have hid their bigotry proudly marching while carrying torches and saying 'Jews will not replace us'.

Yup that even extends to movies.

There is some serious white male rage that POC and Women are now getting a percent of movies focused on casting them.

They call it 'pandering' and say 'it must stop'.

Why do they notice it now? Because it is a divergence from literally the prior 100 years of movie making that pandered almost solely to white males.

You had white males putting on black face and playing POC. You had 'white saviors' plopped into all sorts of movies about POC and the vast majority of women actresses looked like barbie.

And that is OK as white males made up the vast majority of the buying audience. But as that has changed and now POC and women make up a significant percent of the buying public they are getting their share of movies too.

Nothing enrages many white males more than that. 'OMG the pandering must STOP now.'. 'I got my hundred years, but you should get none'.


And that is because most people cannot see bias that impacts them positively (that just seems normal) but can instantly see it when someone else is being favored.


And I think Hollywood SHOULD pander to whoever the buying audience is. Ti is all good. Just as Bollywood should pander to a mostly Indian audience and that is ok.

Just make good moves. That should be the only thing we complain about because in their haste to pander to some POC and women they are choosing some **** movie properties to make or remake.

Senator John Cornyn seemed to have the problem in a Senate hearing Tuesday that itshot was having:

Here was a response from another witness:

hmm that was quite a read w some inacuracies i think.

hilarious how wookies just went kinda ape **** out of the gates on WN tho

@WN
Thanks for taking the time to post all the explanations and links. Good stuff!

The letter that started the thread is almost certainly a fraud, and that should matter in assessing it. It's hard to believe it is written in good faith.

After skimming this lightly I see vegas is up to his greatest hits. He makes these takes that he presents as cutting edge and mind blowing, and just dismantling everything anyone has ever thought to make sense. Well that's how it works in his mind anyway.

In reality he has some obvious cognitive distortions that just reinforces his flawed thinking. It's a perpetual moron machine

+1

Wookie gonna be Wookie.

I think the pleasure confused me with grizy.

please let the believed nazi of this site say this. i am reading thru a bunch of posts probably written by a bunch of white guys discussing why black people are denigrated and describing said black peoples feelings. since most on this site call me nazi i now say you bunch of true nazi have no clue how a black mom has to explain to her kids to be careful around cops.and all this other tripe you people are trolling is more junk. i will apologize here and now to any of the posters who are black and have lived this s..t but the rest of you need to get out of the basement.

Maybe he just likes to use words correctly. Lucky he stayed anonymous huh?

I wonder if it's from a real professor tbh

The hypothesis that the author is non tenure track faculty in mathematics/computer science/economics who is male of Jewish ancestry raised in the former Soviet Union seems more reasonable than the hypothesis that the author is a black professor of history.

The point about removing agency is fair enough, and this is an annoying thing that crops up in debates about minorities. Yes, ethnic over-representation in crime can be linked to racism (self-fulfilling prophecies and such), but it is not the only explaining factor.

Other than that, the letter commits the exact same error he is accusing others of. While local agency should not be ignored, nor does local agency enable us to ignore the potential for systematic factors that contribute to whatever problem it is that we are trying to explain.

Perhaps more importantly, in the cases where systematic racism is the most important factor, it can still be very misguided to treat it as an isolated variable. Very often racism is part of a feedback loop, and focusing on only one variable in a feedback loop is flawed. Systematic racism can cause a position of disadvantage, a position of disadvantage can be a big factor in many negative developments (poverty, crime, distrust), those negative developments can again contribute to systematic racism etc.

Recent times can be a good example, we often focus on the policeman who arrests more green people because he is a racist, but we might forget the policeman who becomes a racist because he arrests more green people (or at least becomes more susceptible to the ideas of racism). The first policeman is a relatively "easy" fix (once you pass the hurdle of political support), you stop hiring them and start firing them. The second policeman however, that is something which will take many, many generations to get in order.

https://www.mediamatters.org/fake-ne...-can-be-traced

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