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06-27-2020 , 07:01 PM
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I mean you believe God created the world 6k years ago and "they" believe that the universe came from nothing quite a bit longer, that matter only has a probability of existence, all sorts of crazy stuff involving double slit and quantum eraser stuff, and that we're flying through space at essentially the speed of light due to the expansion of the universe related to dark matter/energy.
All that crazy stuff you just listed put man on the Moon and is why your GPS and your cable TV and your cell phone works.
06-27-2020 , 07:05 PM
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The point is that you shouldn't be so douchy.
To be clear, I'm not being douchey because he's religious, I'm being douchey because he demands we treat him like a special snowflake when he wants to go on racist "white genocide" rants about Islam yet can't handle someone calling his god a derisive name.
06-27-2020 , 07:06 PM
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About, like, RGT-esque questions? This seems like a bizarre claim. Like, all beliefs are equally as crazy as sky daddy, iyo? What about beliefs that we can't know the true nature of our existence, is that "equally crazy" to you as an unshakeable certainty in sky daddy?
Obviously I didn't say "all beliefs". I'm referring to the mainstream scientific consensus-- except the problem there is they don't even have a consensus because they don't know wtf is going on. You just assume there is a consensus.
I'll stop rgting/smping in the politics forum though.
06-27-2020 , 07:06 PM
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To be clear, I'm not being douchey because he's religious, I'm being douchey because he demands we treat him like a special snowflake when he wants to go on racist "white genocide" rants about Islam yet can't handle someone calling his god a derisive name.
To be clear, I'm being douchy coz both.
06-27-2020 , 07:08 PM
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All that crazy stuff you just listed put man on the Moon and is why your GPS and your cable TV and your cell phone works.
A professor friend of mine from California Polytechnic Institute (Pomona) used to say:

"I don't believe in science, but I DO believe in engineering"
06-27-2020 , 07:08 PM
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Obviously I didn't say "all beliefs". I'm referring to the mainstream scientific consensus-- except the problem there is they don't even have a consensus because they don't know wtf is going on. You just assume there is a consensus.
Lol dude. Yeah, the computer you're posting this on now came about because there "isn't a consensus". It's amusing to listen to people shitting all over science while happily typing away on their iPhone as though it came about by magic.
06-27-2020 , 07:10 PM
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To be clear, I'm not being douchey because he's religious, I'm being douchey because he demands we treat him like a special snowflake when he wants to go on racist "white genocide" rants about Islam yet can't handle someone calling his god a derisive name.
What makes you think I "can't handle it".

I'm used to handling unremitting stupidity around here.
06-27-2020 , 07:10 PM
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A professor friend of mine from California Polytechnic Institute (Pomona) used to say:

"I don't believe in science, but I DO believe in engineering"
Deep.

Until you remember that engineering is applied science.
06-27-2020 , 07:11 PM
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What makes you think I "can't handle it".
The fact that you got mad about d2 saying it and started demanding citations?

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Who is this "sky daddy" you keep talking about?

Please provide a link proving a real life person claiming to believe in "sky daddy."

(This person has to actually employ the term "sky daddy")
lol
06-27-2020 , 07:11 PM
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Lol dude. Yeah, the computer you're posting this on now came about because there "isn't a consensus". It's amusing to listen to people shitting all over science while happily typing away on their iPhone as though it came about by magic.
Quite the strawman
06-27-2020 , 07:13 PM
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Lol dude. Yeah, the computer you're posting this on now came about because there "isn't a consensus". It's amusing to listen to people shitting all over science while happily typing away on their iPhone as though it came about by magic.
Speculative Science and Operational Science differ.

Cellphones, space rockets, etc., are examples of the latter.
06-27-2020 , 07:14 PM
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Quite the strawman
That word means something specific, it's not a general term for "I don't agree with your argument but I got nothing here", as most around here seem to use it.

But go on, what am I strawmanning here, exactly?
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Deep.



Until you remember that engineering is applied science.
Quite so!
06-27-2020 , 07:15 PM
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Speculative Science and Operational Science differ.

Cellphones, space rockets, etc., are examples of the latter.
"Speculative science" being any science you choose to disbelieve for ideological reasons, presumably?
06-27-2020 , 07:16 PM
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The fact that you got mad about d2 saying it and started demanding citations?







lol
1. I wasn't mad.

2. I'm not in a position to "demand" anything.

3. Why are you so stupid? Heredity? Environment?
06-27-2020 , 07:17 PM
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That word means something specific, it's not a general term for "I don't agree with your argument but I got nothing here", as most around here seem to use it.



But go on, what am I strawmanning here, exactly?
No. It was a strawman. It was acribing a position to me that I'm not presenting. Yes, cell phones use "science". So does plenty of other stuff.
Is it your position that there is a scientific consensus though involving quantum physics and the fundamental nature of reality?
06-27-2020 , 07:17 PM
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"Speculative science" being any science you choose to disbelieve for ideological reasons, presumably?
No.

We can discuss this in SMP if you want.
06-27-2020 , 07:19 PM
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No. It was a strawman. It was acribing a position to me that I'm not presenting. Yes, cell phones use "science". So does plenty of other stuff.
Is it your position that there is a scientific consensus though involving quantum physics and the fundamental nature of reality?
This is actually something of a hobby of mine, so I am quite well informed about it - at least as informed as a layperson can get from reading dozens of books and watching hundreds or thousands of hours of videos on the subject.

I can give you a detailed response, but this is not the thread for it.
06-27-2020 , 07:20 PM
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Simple question: consensus or no consensus?
06-27-2020 , 07:21 PM
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1. I wasn't mad.
Yeah, totally makes sense, you said "post someone believing in sky daddy and it has to be those exact words" because you were super unperturbed by d2's usage of it. lol
06-27-2020 , 07:25 PM
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No. It was a strawman. It was acribing a position to me that I'm not presenting. Yes, cell phones use "science". So does plenty of other stuff.
Is it your position that there is a scientific consensus though involving quantum physics and the fundamental nature of reality?
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This is actually something of a hobby of mine, so I am quite well informed about it - at least as informed as a layperson can get from reading dozens of books and watching hundreds or thousands of hours of videos on the subject.

I can give you a detailed response, but this is not the thread for it.
Translation: no consensus.
So-- now that we've established that the best and brightest minds don't know what to believe, the question is how arrogant is it to come here and make fun of poor lagtight (who is an old man after all)?
06-27-2020 , 07:26 PM
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Simple question: consensus or no consensus?
The maths behind quantum mechanics works and has been proven, and is used, inter alia, to design and build devices that you use every day. Where there might be a lack of consensus is down to interpretations of how to intuitively understand what the maths is telling us. This is not a failure of the science, it is a limitation of human senses and imagination.
06-27-2020 , 07:27 PM
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Translation: no consensus.
So-- now that we've established that the best and brightest minds don't know what to believe, the question is how arrogant is it to come here and make fun of poor lagtight (who is an old man after all)?
You're out of your depth on this one. I don't wade in claiming to be an expert on conspiracy theories - please extend me the same courtesy.
06-27-2020 , 07:28 PM
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Yeah, totally makes sense, you said "post someone believing in sky daddy and it has to be those exact words" because you were super unperturbed by d2's usage of it. lol
It was certainly ANNOYING, because he's used that same expression about a half dozen times.

Plus, he often corrects other posters on minor things like spelling, etc. (Which is kewl)

Kinda ironic.
06-27-2020 , 07:28 PM
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I was just wondering: whats the largest off-topic streak in here?
I mean: if u guys really wanna give it a go i think i will be able to lend a helping hand!
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