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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish
lol what if I paid them enough for their credibility to no longer factor in? They have one client.
Do you think the historical examples of private armies cared anything about their credibility to anyone other than their employer? I mean, seriously lol bro. The gov't is so evil and bad but private mercenaries are the arbiters of fair justice?
Everyone knows mercenaries are loyal to the highest bidder. lol but, but they might care about future business by people who would want them to ... not be loyal?
They don't control their credibility, the market does. They might not care about their rep, but other firms and courts will. Are you going to buy every judge, court and arbitrator too?
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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish
What if you were able to hire a 'security firm' that didn't care about rulings or courts at all?
What if you could afford to have tens of dozens of dudes to knock at doors to ask for payment regardless of any kind of dispute at all? Then what?
Everyone else might band together and look for a common defense against unmerited attacks... Hey, sounds like the beginnings of a government and society to me.
10's of dozens! Holy ****! Yeah they would get killed.
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
So magic ?
That's the problem. If libertarians aren't proposing an actual better system then what's the point ? It juts becomes a religion where you worship a mythical 'Free Market god'.
we are proposing one, you know the post I made that everyone ducked about the State being evil? And challenging all of you to defend them? Yeah we only care about rolling that **** back. The free market is not a myth, it is tried and true.
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
There seems to be quite a lot that you don't know about. But why spoil it, you'll find out soon enough, it's all part of growing up!
When you're old enough, maybe watch a couple of prison/mob/gang documentaries to see what happens in an "every man for himself" society where only the strongest survive. Now imagine the same but with no cops or guards.
So too much freedom ends up looking like prison? That is quite a combo of indoctrination and fear mongering, the cathedral would be proud.
Every man for himself? Do you even know how the economy functions?
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
That's exactly what the mafia does now, dipshit. Except, currently, they just extort other criminals who can't go to the cops - in your world, there won't be any cops to contain their activities, so you will either join up with them or you'll be "prey" as Monteroy puts it. You think your piddly little tuppence is going to buy a security company that wants to go against Gotti?
You might think it's all great to **** on the weak and the disabled, but if your wishes come true, you're going to find out that it's not so much fun when the rabbit's got the gun.
Or, let me guess, we can't trust people to be fundamentally good in the current system, but suddenly, when we adopt your system, all the bad people, they just magically disappear by virtue of not having the power of the State any more?
You just quoted me saying "no bad people won't disappear" and then go on to say the bolded. Calm down.
Lets try to simplify where we agree and disagree.
I think we both agree that the free market produces a lot of good things that people want and need. Well I want to apply that system to defense and law.
You guys think going lol but the mafia, i'll just pay off every security firm and judge. You will be at war, a bloody, expensive, unprofitable war. With an armed populace that greatly out numbers you.